[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FAN

How can you be CERTAIN that the "anything" is going to amount to nothing?

It makes perfect sense. GMs and scouts have such opinions about prospects all the time. It's why we see players get passed over at the draft all the time. They could be wrong in the long run, but don't think for a second that there aren't prospects out there that are touted by one team, but considered completely irrelevant by other teams.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...lgary_Flames/1

I don't see any obsession.

I don't see that many bad trades either, which gives me some hope.

That list is missing the PLL trade though, which wasn't very good

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Two things.....first the deadline is still a week away - lots of time for something to happen. Second I'm convinced the Flames and probably Iginla would be just as happy to renew if a good trade isn't available

I really don't see a renewal as an option anymore. If that was a plan we would hear rumor about it just as much as trade rumor, but from all reports Iggy's agent hasn't talked to management about that at all.

Writing's on the wall, Iginla won't be here next year. I just hope we get SOMETHING back for him. I'd be happy with a prospect that shows future top line potential (or at least shows future top6 potential right now), and a 1st. Anything above that is gravy imo.

What I think will happen... Iggy + secondary guy here (or secondary prospect) for 1st, good prospect, secondary prospect.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO option 1 is a complete disaster for the organization. If the minute hand is nearing 12 and no deal is done I would rather a late first round pick on it's own than option 1. We all knew that the team was never going to get the best value for Iginla waiting until he was 35 to trade him so it really shouldn't surprise fans if the return is not a homerun however you have to get something in hopes it helps the future and even if it's only a 1st round pick there's possibility of turning that into a future contributor for the organization.

Actually I liked what Grant said on our radio show ... "the worst case scenario isn't Iginla walking for nothing, it's Iginla signing a 3 year extension at 6+ per season"

and that isn't to say anything against Iginla, at all. But as long as he's here as the guy the team will continue to sit in this flux and not move on. If Iginla took a 4m per year deal to be a secondary guy, then that's better. But I fear as long as he's the face of the franchise they'll continue to use elmer's glue and tape to try and get him in the playoffs.

[Ashasx]

Do people really believe that 1st + good prospect + lesser prospect is an unfair price for Iginla?

This is essentially the Kaberle return.

It's Jarome frickin' Iginla for Christ's sake.

The media's whining is unbearable. Some think the Flames should include Gaudreau in the trade to Boston. That's right, give up your best player and best amateur prospect in the same deal.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Do people really believe that 1st + good prospect + lesser prospect is an unfair price for Iginla?

This is essentially the Kaberle return.

It's Jarome frickin' Iginla for Christ's sake.

Could'nt agree more, his bidders know they are getting a much higher caliber player then Kaberle, but as with purchasing anything big you try to get the best deal hence the hold out on both sides (assuming).

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Do people really believe that 1st + good prospect + lesser prospect is an unfair price for Iginla?

This is essentially the Kaberle return.

It's Jarome frickin' Iginla for Christ's sake.

You can only get what the market is willing to pay. If the market is only going to give us a pick and a prospect, then what can you do other than take it?

[CliffFletcher]

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Do people really believe that 1st + good prospect + lesser prospect is an unfair price for Iginla?

This is essentially the Kaberle return.

It's Jarome frickin' Iginla for Christ's sake.

The media's whining is unbearable. Some think the Flames should include Gaudreau in the trade to Boston. That's right, give up your best player and best amateur prospect in the same deal.

I think the catch is some of the names of those "good prospects" that have been floating around (ie: Malcolm Subban).

From the other perspective, that team is potentially trading away a prospect who could turn into a player with the same impact that Iginla's had here for almost 2 decades... and there's a chance that Iginla's only with you for 1 playoff run when you give that up.

Not saying I don't think it's what the Flames should be asking for, but that's the other side of the coin.

I definitely don't think they consider shipping out one of their own top prospects just to get a deal done. As a worst case they should be able to trade Iginla by himself for a late 1st and a decent prospect. And vs. the alternative of him walking for nothing July 1, you do that IMO.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick, whether the guy you moved to get it is Lee Stempniak or Jarome Iginla (not that I think Iginla is worth only a 2nd round pick). And Johnny Gaudrea was drafted with a 2nd round pick.

Gaudreau was a 4th rd pick, I believe.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by timbit

Gaudreau was a 4th rd pick, I believe.

Yup

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Do people really believe that 1st + good prospect + lesser prospect is an unfair price for Iginla?

This is essentially the Kaberle return.

It's Jarome frickin' Iginla for Christ's sake.

The media's whining is unbearable. Some think the Flames should include Gaudreau in the trade to Boston. That's right, give up your best player and best amateur prospect in the same deal.

Won't say i disagree that what you posted is what i think Iggy is worth. The problem with this trade is the limited amount of teams he will go to. The only team that really needs him is Boston. If they won't pay what Feaster wants, i doubt any of the 3 other teams will.

Also you can't just use Kaberle's return as the bench mark. That was a one sided trade, done by a manager that has a lot more respect around the league than our current GM.

[Ashasx]

The market just paid Joe Morrow for Brendan Morrow.

Iginla will get 2-3 times that return, no problem, from the market.

The Bruins are simply being stubborn and tying to use the media as a bargaining chip.

Keep on trucking, Feaster.

[timbit]

You have to believe that the Flames are doing their due diligence to get the best possible return for Jarome, with a limited field.

Whatever that is, before the deadline, you take it.

That will be his trade and market value, within the restrictive parameters.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Also you can't just use Kaberle's return as the bench mark. That was a one sided trade, done by a manager that has a lot more respect around the league than our current GM.

I'm a little confused as to why we should accept this and therefore take trash in return for Iginla.

"I want X & Y for Iginla, but since our GM doesn't have a lot of respect, I'll be just fine with Y."

It doesn't work like that.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Also you can't just use Kaberle's return as the bench mark. That was a one sided trade, done by a manager that has a lot more respect around the league than our current GM.

The GM that gave up too much in that deal is also very respected league wide. Doesn't make him immune to overpaying again, or any GM for that matter

It's a really good benchmark because it indicates what the Bruins are willing to give up when they think they have a shot at the cup

[FlamesAddiction]

Just a side note on the Duhatschek column (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle10395302/)

I thought it was interesting that in the Nieuwendyk situation, the other offer from the Rangers was a deal that revolved around Cloutier. It just goes to show you that there is a fine line between getting a homerun and getting "meh". To be fair, Cloutier was at least an NHL player for a period of time so he beat the odds, but the fate of this organization would have been much different.

[Robbob]

I also don't really understand why people are getting up in arms with Feaster waiting till the deadline. The best package the Flames will get will probably be closer to the deadline when the other Gm's start making rash decisions based on everything that is going on that day.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually I liked what Grant said on our radio show ... "the worst case scenario isn't Iginla walking for nothing, it's Iginla signing a 3 year extension at 6+ per season"

and that isn't to say anything against Iginla, at all. But as long as he's here as the guy the team will continue to sit in this flux and not move on. If Iginla took a 4m per year deal to be a secondary guy, then that's better. But I fear as long as he's the face of the franchise they'll continue to use elmer's glue and tape to try and get him in the playoffs.

If he decides to stay he has to accept that he's now a secondary guy & should be paid accordingly. IF he were to stay I could see him taking something around $5 million to stay. We still would need a primary scoring threat to take the reins, which I suppose Glenncross has done to a certain extent.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm a little confused as to why we should accept this and therefore take trash in return for Iginla.

"I want X & Y for Iginla, but since our GM doesn't have a lot of respect, I'll be just fine with Y."

It doesn't work like that.

Let me put it another way, out of Chiarelli, Bowman, Feaster and Lombardi who would you pick to most likely to win trades and who would you pick most likely to lose trades?

Also i never said that the flames have to accept trash in return for Iginla. They might have to back down on some of their demands.