[PGT] Flames fall 3-2 in shootout to Chicago.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I bet you think that strippers are really into to you too, especially if guy sitting in front of also agrees that she's into it

Good one. I now know not to waste any time discussing anything with you

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Good one. I now know not to waste any time discussing anything with you

Oh noes!

You may need to chill out a little, and not take things so seriously, but you do what you must.

[opendoor]

The Hawks didn't just play 3 games in 4 nights; they've played 9 games in 15 nights with travel between every single game and 7 time zone changes.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Therefore the Hawks must have been tired?

Way to insult the Flames as a way to try and substantiate your argument.

Bottom line is there are tough spots in the schedule. The Flames made them pay by skating them into the ground. But for some fans, the Flames can only suck and therefore the Hawks must not have been trying / were too tired to compete.

The Hawks fans sitting in front of me felt the Flames wore them out. But there are a lot of Flames fans who are incapable of granting the Flames that fact.

made who pay? Hawks walked away with 2 pts and are still undefeated in regulation. Sure, Hawks may have been out-played and over-worked, but they were more efficient with their opportunities and capitalized as such. Hawks made the flames pay by getting them to go around in circles, tire themselves out, and were thus inefficient. That argument can go both ways.

We should have walked away with 2 pts here. Should have. Sometimes, okay, a goaltender steals a game. This is just gross though. I can't stand to see these guys 30th. CANT STAND IT.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Therefore the Hawks must have been tired?

Way to insult the Flames as a way to try and substantiate your argument.

Bottom line is there are tough spots in the schedule. The Flames made them pay by skating them into the ground. But for some fans, the Flames can only suck and therefore the Hawks must not have been trying / were too tired to compete.

The Hawks fans sitting in front of me felt the Flames wore them out. But there are a lot of Flames fans who are incapable of granting the Flames that fact.

lol, this is too funny.

I agree, there are tough spots in the schedule. Having 3 days rest between two opponents playing their 3rd in four nights, and playing them at home, in the middle of a 6 game home stand IS the soft part of the schedule.

The flames made them pay? Did you watch the game? Calgary had 7 hits (and that's generous), lost the fight and lost the game, leading with seconds left in regulation? In what capacity did the Hawks pay? They didn't pay a physical toll, they didn't pay in the injury department, they didn't pay in the PIM department, in the boxscore or on the score sheet, and walked away with the 2 points.

Calgary made them pay? Laugh Out Loud funny.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Wow.. ok. Well we just then complete disagree. I guess it comes from my sporting background and being competitive in anything pretty much I do. I just hate losing- and rather than being entertained by the team´s completely incompetent players not being able to score empty netters and win the game it just made me gringe. Pretty much pathetic how they couldn´t put the game away.

You "hate losing", what a novelty that no one else shares,you're right that must come from your sporting background.

I can't imagine not seeing any positives out of last nights game. It has got to be torturous for you to be a fan of this team.

Maybe you should switch, and cheer for the Canucks they "win" more.

The funny thing is I know full well that if JayBo's goal stood up as the winner more than 3/4 of the "nay sayers" today would have a different tunes .

That's what makes me gringe

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by opendoor

The Hawks didn't just play 3 games in 4 nights; they've played 9 games in 15 nights with travel between every single game and 7 time zone changes.

Which happens, and has been recognized.

Some people however, fail to acknowledge that there is also an aspect that the Flames made them pay for that situation.

There are no excuses.

Last year, the Flames played 6 games in 9 nights, starting in Tampa and finishinig in Vancouver, with their 3rd in 4 nights (and finishing off a 12 in 21 stretch.) Going coast to coast and playing 6 in 9, they were, by the same standards, tired. They beat the Nucks 3-1.

Some fans can only find fault. Those that can find positives as well as the negatives apparently must also think that strippers are into them.

Also, every one of you that is saying the Hawks were tired would be all over anyone who claimed the Flames were tired in the same situation.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol, this is too funny.

I agree, there are tough spots in the schedule. Having 3 days rest between two opponents playing their 3rd in four nights, and playing them at home, in the middle of a 6 game home stand IS the soft part of the schedule.

The flames made them pay? Did you watch the game? Calgary had 7 hits (and that's generous), lost the fight and lost the game, leading with seconds left in regulation? In what capacity did the Hawks pay? They didn't pay a physical toll, they didn't pay in the injury department, they didn't pay in the PIM department, in the boxscore or on the score sheet, and walked away with the 2 points.

Calgary made them pay? Laugh Out Loud funny.

Made them pay in the sense that they wore them out (which is exactly what any team in that situation would have tried to do int that situation)

But yes, unfortunately they were unable to get the W regardless.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Which happens, and has been recognized.

Some people however, fail to acknowledge that there is also an aspect that the Flames made them pay for that situation.

There are no excuses.

Last year, the Flames played 6 games in 9 nights, starting in Tampa and finishinig in Vancouver, with their 3rd in 4 nights (and finishing off a 12 in 21 stretch.) Going coast to coast and playing 6 in 9, they were, by the same standards, tired. They beat the Nucks 3-1.

Some fans can only find fault. Those that can find positives as well as the negatives apparently must alsok that strippers are into them.

Also, every one of you that is saying the Hawks were tired would be all over anyone who claimed the Flames were tired in the same situation.

1) The Flames did not make them pay for anything, they tried and failed to make them pay.

2) Missing the part in your posts where you display the balance of positive and negative you claim to have.

3) I think she likes you

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

1) The Flames did not make them pay for anything, they tried and failed to make them pay.

2) Missing the part in your posts where you display the balance of positive and negative you claim to have.

3) I think she likes you

Take a quick look trough the various threads.

I have talked as much about their poor defensive coverage, their lack of finish, the poor play of their 'stars', questionable icetime allocations, etc as anyone.

But keep trolling

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Take a quick look trough the various threads.

I have talked as much about their poor defensive coverage, their lack of finish, the poor play of their 'stars', questionable icetime allocations, etc as anyone.

But keep trolling

I was refering to your posts in here during the current debate, I won't pretend to have a clue about your posting history, and forgive me if I'm un-concerned to go look it up, it's not really relevant.

You have very much taken a glass half full stance on last nights loss, which is fine (although I don't personally believe the Flames have earned the right for glass half full at this point after the past 4 seasons, but so be it), and you are very critical of those who simply don't feel the Hawks likely gave the Flames their best effort last night.

Honestly, a lot of good facts that would point to the Hawks beeing not in the best spot to win last nights game, and years now of the Flames lossing and not instiling confidence that they really could make a team like Chicago look tired. There's nothing wrong with it, but anyone who has "optimisim" towards this team at this point is truely in the "blind faith" category, so I have a tough time seeing how anyone can make a good argument against those who see it with a more cynical view.

It be one thing if this was 2006 and people were being negative or less than optimistic about the team back then, the Flames then had earned the optimisim, but 3 seasons removed from the playoffs, this team has to earn back the optimisim IMO, and they won't do that until they start consistently proving they can pull games out like last nights.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I was refering to your posts in here during the current debate, I won't pretend to have a clue about your posting history, and forgive me if I'm un-concerned to go look it up, it's not really relevant.

You have very much taken a glass half full stance on last nights loss, which is fine (although I don't personally believe the Flames have earned the right for glass half full at this point after the past 4 seasons, but so be it), and you are very critical of those who simply don't feel the Hawks likely gave the Flames their best effort last night.

Honestly, a lot of good facts that would point to the Hawks beeing not in the best spot to win last nights game, and years now of the Flames lossing and not instiling confidence that they really could make a team like Chicago look tired. There's nothing wrong with it, but anyone who has "optimisim" towards this team at this point is truely in the "blind faith" category, so I have a tough time seeing how anyone can make a good argument against those who see it with a more cynical view.

It be one thing if this was 2006 and people were being negative or less than optimistic about the team back then, the Flames then had earned the optimisim, but 3 seasons removed from the playoffs, this team has to earn back the optimisim IMO, and they won't do that until they start consistently proving they can pull games out like last nights.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Probably a good plan, often best to just back away if there's no intelligent argument out there to counter with.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

There's nothing wrong with it, but anyone who has "optimisim" towards this team at this point is truely in the "blind faith" category, so I have a tough time seeing how anyone can make a good argument against those who see it with a more cynical view.

Or, people who have optimism after 6 games have seen a team that has outplayed it's opponent 4 out of those 6 games, and was 2 coin flips away from being 3-3 to start the season with a new coach and new system. I said before that I won't throw this team under the bus or put them on a pedestal until I see where they are at after 10 games, but so far, I see a team that is very much improved from the last 3 years, and losing these games early are all about living through growing pains and working their way through this process. 6 games do not make a season. If we get to 10 games and we still only have 1 regulation win, then yes, everyone will be very concerned and for good reason. Just stay sane until we get a large enough sample size that we can objectively evaluate this team. While you're at it, it's much more fun to be an optimist than a pessimist.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Or, people who have optimism after 6 games have seen a team that has outplayed it's opponent 4 out of those 6 games, and was 2 coin flips away from being 3-3 to start the season with a new coach and new system. I said before that I won't throw this team under the bus or put them on a pedestal until I see where they are at after 10 games, but so far, I see a team that is very much improved from the last 3 years, and losing these games early are all about living through growing pains and working their way through this process. 6 games do not make a season. If we get to 10 games and we still only have 1 regulation win, then yes, everyone will be very concerned and for good reason. Just stay sane until we get a large enough sample size that we can objectively evaluate this team. While you're at it, it's much more fun to be an optimist than a pessimist.

I think I also stand in the exact same position, in that I truly believe this team is vastly improved compared to before. They have outplayed their oponent, regardless of their losses. Even against the Avs their loss was due to a few lucky bounces. Every team goes through droughts in which they play oustanding but lose, we've seen this before. I to some degree consider us fortunate that the drought is early I can't forsee them losing at this rate if they keep up this play.

Further our two superstar scorers are having a rusty start, we saw Cammy change his game yesterday and its just a matter of time before our 2 big guns go Iggy and Cammy.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Or, people who have optimism after 6 games have seen a team that has outplayed it's opponent 4 out of those 6 games, and was 2 coin flips away from being 3-3 to start the season with a new coach and new system. I said before that I won't throw this team under the bus or put them on a pedestal until I see where they are at after 10 games, but so far, I see a team that is very much improved from the last 3 years, and losing these games early are all about living through growing pains and working their way through this process. 6 games do not make a season. If we get to 10 games and we still only have 1 regulation win, then yes, everyone will be very concerned and for good reason. Just stay sane until we get a large enough sample size that we can objectively evaluate this team. While you're at it, it's much more fun to be an optimist than a pessimist.

Fair we have a new coach and new system, but the key players on this team are really still the same group they have bee for the past 3 years. The nucleous of this team is very much the same as the one that failed to make the playoffs the past 3 years, so I'd say giving them a clean slate to start the season is very much the definition of "blind faith" at the moment.

As the season moves on, should we start to see this team win these games and consistently dominate games (while getting the wins) they way they have, then I'd say it would be more than reasonable to start to shift the thinking about what this team could do.

But for now, to suggest that anyone should be thinking this is just more of the same old crew led by Iginla, Kipper and J-Bow not finding a way to get it done is more than fair, and would likely be the best use of the data available to us.

I'm hopeful, that the coaching changes and the additions of the likes of Hudler, Wideman and Cervenka could maybe be enough to turn the team around, but for now, those changes don't hit to the core of this team enough to simply ignore any data and experience we have with this group from the past few seasons. I guess the point is, looking at the 6 game sample size right now as if it's all that matters, likely isn't fair for this team, they aren't changed or young enough for that to be the case.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Yoho

You "hate losing", what a novelty that no one else shares,you're right that must come from your sporting background.

I can't imagine not seeing any positives out of last nights game. It has got to be torturous for you to be a fan of this team.

Maybe you should switch, and cheer for the Canucks they "win" more.

The funny thing is I know full well that if JayBo's goal stood up as the winner more than 3/4 of the "nay sayers" today would have a different tunes .

That's what makes me gringe

If they had won it of course would have been different. But they didn´t. They screwed up big time.

Do you really think we saw the real Chicago Blackhawks yesterday play against the Flames? I mean the conference leader vs the team that´s last? I wouldn´t be fooled by the great "effort" by the Flames- Chicago was uninspired and awful actually. But even then they managed to score the next shift when they needed to and win the game. The Flames couldn´t hold on to their lead for 30 seconds to put the game away in the end. Think about that for a moment.

Yeah you can´t win all the games but this game was something they should have and could have won. It was awful to watch them throw the game away. No, I didn´t find it entertaining.

[Badgers Nose]

Flames played a great game, folks at the Dome left entertained.

I would have love to brain the Hawks fans that kept on doing the orca whoo behind me. But with 19,000 witnesses I probably would have been caught.

It is possible they played down to the Flames, but I think the Hawks were legitimately out worked, and like many great teams they won a game they should have lost because of their superior talent.

Nothing the Flames could have done differently would have produced a different result IMO.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Saqe

If they had won it of course would have been different. But they didn´t. They screwed up big time.

Do you really think we saw the real Chicago Blackhawks yesterday play against the Flames? I mean the conference leader vs the team that´s last? I wouldn´t be fooled by the great "effort" by the Flames- Chicago was uninspired and awful actually. But even then they managed to score the next shift when they needed to and win the game. The Flames couldn´t hold on to their lead for 30 seconds to put the game away in the end. Think about that for a moment.

Yeah you can´t win all the games but this game was something they should have and could have won. It was awful to watch them throw the game away. No, I didn´t find it entertaining.

Just out of curiosity what were you expecting from this year? Did you think after the past three years of missing the playoffs and virtually the same line up of aged veterans that magically we would be leading the conference because Feaster picked up Hudler, Cervenka, and Wideman?

We are going to suck before we get better, that's just the reality of the situation.

It is what it is, the Black Hawks are a good team and we gave them all they could handle in a very competitive game. We are going to lose a bunch of games and I'm just glad it's not 8-0 beat downs. Be realistic and it won't be such a long season.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Flames played a great game, folks at the Dome left entertained.

I would have love to brain the Hawks fans that kept on doing the orca whoo behind me. But with 19,000 witnesses I probably would have been caught.

It is possible they played down to the Flames, but I think the Hawks were legitimately out worked, and like many great teams they won a game they should have lost because of their superior talent.

Nothing the Flames could have done differently would have produced a different result IMO.

Well not in 2013, had they done something different in 2009 I'm not so sure.