The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by fotze

Lets take guesses on the breed.

I take Akita.

How does that dog survive long enough to be turned over to authorities?

Yeah, kinda makes you wonder.

Why do authorities even have to "decide" what happens to it? Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Euthanize the dog. End of discussion. It's not like it's a person that deserves a fair trial.

Really, who would care besides the owner? And who cares what he thinks?

And of course "it's not a bad dog, it's a bad owner", so why doesn't this bad owner pay some real consequences? Can this idiot go to the slammer for not looking after this "not bad dog"?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And of course "it's not a bad dog, it's a bad owner", so why doesn't this bad owner pay some real consequences? Can this idiot go to the slammer for not looking after this "not bad dog"?

He should.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Poor little guy. Hopefully this finally puts the breed ban on the table with city hall.

I spoke with the director of bylaw and Animal services and there are no plans to have a ban. They are focusing on dog owners.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah, kinda makes you wonder.

Why do authorities even have to "decide" what happens to it? Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Euthanize the dog. End of discussion. It's not like it's a person that deserves a fair trial.

Really, who would care besides the owner? And who cares what he thinks?

And of course "it's not a bad dog, it's a bad owner", so why doesn't this bad owner pay some real consequences? Can this idiot go to the slammer for not looking after this "not bad dog"?

This is a clear example of a bad owner. Dog bit him, he didn't take the necessary steps to prevent and then rectify the problem from the start.

He should be charged. Get proper regulations in place and fine these kinds of owners through the roof. The owner of the dog should have been forced into mandatory training from the start.

This owner should not own any dog.

Whoa, this dog has attacked multiple times? Is the family insane? Clearly a person who should not own any pets.

For those calling for the ban, a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, Husky etc could have done just as much damage. This dog being out after multiple attacks on different people is irresponsibility all around.

WHY DOES A TEENAGER OWN ANY DOG LET ALONE A PITBULL? Insanity.

[FlamesAddiction]

That exact thing happened to a girl that I went to elementary school with. She was laying on the floor playing with a toy, and the family pit bull started mauling her for no reason. It litterally tore half her face off. She has a smoking hot body, but now even as an adult, she has a badly scarred face. She endurred bullying because of it in highschool too.

The story was the same. The owners claimed it was a good dog and blah, blah, blah. And I knew the family... they were "dog" people through and through and treated that thing better than a person.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The story was the same. The owners claimed it was a good dog and blah, blah, blah. And I knew the family... they were "dog" people through and through and treated that thing better than a person.

"Dog" people are losers. It's one thing to have a pet. It's quite another to have it become part of your identity.

[Bertuzzied]

Get rid of these effing pitbulls now. Ridiculous. And these owners are just mind bottling. We should be making cases for forced sterilization also.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by fotze

Lets take guesses on the breed.

I take Akita.

How does that dog survive long enough to be turned over to authorities?

Holy did you ever set Gimp up. But truth be told i would NEVER trust a young child with an akita. I've known 2 friends with akitas, one destroyed and killed a mini poodle for fun and the other bit at least 3 people.

and all an akita is, is a super steroided version of my dog the shiba. I think my shiba wants to do all these things but the fact is she is only 17 lbs and can't do jack crap to any other dogs or people. I would never own an akita BUT if i did, which are 90-100lbs, for sure i would have a muzzle on them if i went to the park with it.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I spoke with the director of bylaw and Animal services and there are no plans to have a ban. They are focusing on dog owners.

That kind of thing can do a 180 overnight, though. There have been so many pit bull incidents in the past month that it would be negligent to ignore the problem at this point. If it isn't this attack that puts a ban on the table, it'll be the next one (hopefully).

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Unbelievable that these people kept the dog after it had attacked before, and its owner of all people.

Totally ridiculous:

The dog belongs to Tyler's older sister's boyfriend and according to Tyler's aunt it wasn’t the first time the dog has attacked.
“We want to make sure that the dog is euthanized because it’s not the first time that it’s attacked. It’s attacked a couple other times. It’s given the owner stitches in its face and it’s attacked a couple other people,” said Batycki.

What the hell did they think, "oh Killer was just having a bad day when he attacked those other people that one time and his owner the other time.".

At the very least the dog should have been taken in for behavioral testing and a full evaluation.

I'm really back and forth on the whole breed ban as the pits I've known have all been sucks with great owners, but even I'm starting to get edgy around the breed when I don't know the dog.

Edit: There should at least be strict regulations on certain breeds and a significantly higher city registration fee.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Totally ridiculous:



What the hell did they think, "oh Killer was just having a bad day when he attacked those other people that one time and his owner the other time.".

At the very least the dog should have been taken in for behavioral testing and a full evaluation.

I'm really back and forth on the whole breed ban as the pits I've known have all been sucks with great owners, but even I'm starting to get edgy around the breed when I don't know the dog.

At whose cost, though? Eleven times out of 10, pit bulls are owned by ne'er-do-wells that wouldn't have the resources or interest to have their dog taken in for behavioural testing/evaluations. There is no way this 18 year-old kid has the money to pay for that and it's a giant waste of taxpayer resources if we pick up the tab. That's where a breed ban starts to make sense on a purely economic level - it's simply too expensive for us to ensure a dog is safe, if that's even possible. Banning the breed means we don't have to worry about all this other crap that goes along with dummies owning them.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Sliver

At whose cost, though? Eleven times out of 10, pit bulls are owned by ne'er-do-wells that wouldn't have the resources or interest to have their dog taken in for behavioural testing/evaluations. There is no way this 18 year-old kid has the money to pay for that and it's a giant waste of taxpayer resources if we pick up the tab. That's where a breed ban starts to make sense on a purely economic level - it's simply too expensive for us to ensure a dog is safe, if that's even possible. Banning the breed means we don't have to worry about all this other crap that goes along with dummies owning them.

Well obviously the owners should inherit all costs associated with the dog, especially in incidents like this.

I get your point, regulations/higher owning or registrations costs aren't going to dissuade certain owners who don't bother to register their dogs anyways... but if we had more enforcement than these owners would be continually hit with $250 fines.

At the same time, breed bans would need a lot of enforcement too Sliver... and breeders/owners could probably get around the ban by saying it's a terrier/bulldog cross or something like that. You'd basically have to do genetic testing on the dog in order to fully enforce a breed ban.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by fotze

It didn't say in the story, I watched the video right after posting.

hmmm well when pitbulls are batting 4 for 4 in the past 5 weeks you should have had a better guess!

[Zevo]

Ya, Akitas seem to generally be good with people but they don't get along well with other dogs. I don't remember the last time I heard about an Akita attacking a person but they sure can be aggressive with other animals.

Pitbulls are the one breed I'm starting to be leary of. I still don't support an all out ban though as there is too much potential for "while were at it we might as well ban this breed and this breed and...."

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Well obviously the owners should inherit all costs associated with the dog, especially in incidents like this.

I get your point, regulations/higher owning or registrations costs aren't going to dissuade certain owners who don't bother to register their dogs anyways... but if we had more enforcement than these owners would be continually hit with $250 fines.

At the same time, breed bans would need a lot of enforcement too Sliver... and breeders/owners could probably get around the ban by saying it's a terrier/bulldog cross or something like that. You'd basically have to do genetic testing on the dog in order to fully enforce a breed ban.

Yeah, that is something that seems like it would add cost/complication for sure. To me that cost is a little more justified because it's going toward safety for the general public, versus the cost going toward one guy so he can own a pit bull. Fair point on your part nevertheless.

Originally Posted by Zevo

Ya, Akitas seem to generally be good with people but they don't get along well with other dogs. I don't remember the last time I heard about an Akita attacking a person but they sure can be aggressive with other animals.

Pitbulls are the one breed I'm starting to be leary of. I still don't support an all out ban though as there is too much potential for "while were at it we might as well ban this breed and this breed and...."

August 2011 some Akidas viciously mauled a couple.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Sliver

That kind of thing can do a 180 overnight, though. There have been so many pit bull incidents in the past month that it would be negligent to ignore the problem at this point. If it isn't this attack that puts a ban on the table, it'll be the next one (hopefully).

Animal Services (aka the City) is not going to 180 on it's own. I think the only 180 that would happen would be from the public in the form of pressure for change. But honestly I don't see that happening anytime soon either. You're probably keeping closer score than me, but a couple of the last pitbull attacks have been dog on dog. I don't think people really care much about that. Dogs hurting random people (ie not people in their own home) is what will get peoples notice. But again, I don't see that happening either.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Ya, Akitas seem to generally be good with people but they don't get along well with other dogs. I don't remember the last time I heard about an Akita attacking a person but they sure can be aggressive with other animals.

Pitbulls are the one breed I'm starting to be leary of. I still don't support an all out ban though as there is too much potential for "while were at it we might as well ban this breed and this breed and...."

No thats not the case. They will bite whoever. Especially kids. In Japan they used to use them as babysitter and they are totally protective of it's own family. They will bite other kids if they perceive them to be a danger to it's owners kids.

One of the people in the dog park by my house was bitten as kid by his friend's akita. they were just playing tag, a little rough but the akita thought he was attacking his friend.

Also my friend's akita bit 2 people because they accidentally stepped on his tail or paw. and he bit someone else too.

Mind bottling the Japanese would use them as babysitters but they are extremely loyal to their owners and would NEVER bite anyone in their family. Which is good if they are watched over. Unlike pitbulls who seem to bite anyone they want to.

That said i would NEVER leave my 17lb shiba with any of my kids alone. Just play it safe.

[TheGrimm]

Yikes, another attack! While I still think the main issue is owners, it is becoming harder and harder to defend peoples rights to be idiots. I am fully willing to allow people to be neglegent when they are only impacting themselves, but scenarios like this with kids makes me wonder if there needs to be a way of protecting people from themselves.

If the dog had already shown it was capable of this kind of attack then WHY WAS IT IN A POSITION TO DO IT AGAIN!

No way a muzzle fixes this incident unfortunately...

[missdpuck]

Perhaps this was mentioned already but why is it that (at least around here anyway) most of the people who have pits are in low socioeconomic groups. Is it some vicarious power trip or rebellion thing.
Or perhaps just a dumb comment on my part ;(

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

No thats not the case. They will bite whoever. Especially kids. In Japan they used to use them as babysitter and they are totally protective of it's own family. They will bite other kids if they perceive them to be a danger to it's owners kids.

One of the people in the dog park by my house was bitten as kid by his friend's akita. they were just playing tag, a little rough but the akita thought he was attacking his friend.

Also my friend's akita bit 2 people because they accidentally stepped on his tail or paw. and he bit someone else too.

Mind bottling the Japanese would use them as babysitters but they are extremely loyal to their owners and would NEVER bite anyone in their family. Which is good if they are watched over. Unlike pitbulls who seem to bite anyone they want to.

That said i would NEVER leave my 17lb shiba with any of my kids alone. Just play it safe.

So will cocker spaniels. They hate kids. Poodles too. My assertion is that Akitas aren't anymore prone to an unprovoked attack on people than most breeds.

Way too many people leave kids and dogs alone together, no matter what the breed. In this latest attack, it is incomprehensible that they would let that dog, with it's history, any where near children. Stupid owners like that really piss me off.