Teacher Charged with Sex Assault

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Like a hockey coach and a player perhaps

Again, we're talking about consensual sex between both parties. We're not talking about Theo Fleury and Graham James here, because that's twisted. Say a 45 year old NHL coach and a 23 year old NHL player have a consensual gay relationship together. It might be immoral, but it definitely shouldn't be illegal.

[TorqueDog]

I'm only going to make this statement pertaining to myself, but I would have loved to have been in the position where some hot female teacher wanted to get down. I had one French teacher that was just 'wow', it would have been like winning the lottery.

But of course, my own wants and desires do not and should not reflect on this situation for everyone else.

[Red Potato Standing By]

It matters because that is what the topic is, a teacher (position of authority) having sex with a minor...now I will admit ignorance to the law but doesn't being in a position of authority change how the age of consent is viewed?( I could be wrong just going by what I have heard others say)

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Again, we're talking about consensual sex between both parties. We're not talking about Theo Fleury and Graham James here, because that's twisted. Say a 45 year old NHL coach and a 23 year old NHL player have a consensual gay relationship together. It might be immoral, but it definitely shouldn't be illegal.

Yes but at 23 he is legally an adult, and you are right it shouldn't be and I believe is not illegal if consensual

[polak]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

It matters because that is what the topic is, a teacher (position of authority) having sex with a minor...now I will admit ignorance to the law but doesn't being in a position of authority change how the age of consent is viewed?( I could be wrong just going by what I have heard others say)

Legally I believe it's 18 for positions of power.

So once both parties are 18 it's legal for them to bone regardless of authority.

[SeeBass]

After reading all of these comments about how any normal boy would be happy to have sex with their teacher and how they would be a hero to their friends. It does not surprise me that any boy caught in the situation would have trouble saying it was not consensual.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

And I am male and do understand how the anatomy works. I also can say no and still get a hard on.

Well then you are different.

Ever heard of stage fright? Lots of guys can't "perform" when it's their first time, even if it's consensual. They just get too nervous. I find it hard to believe that anyone can perform when they are scared ####less and wanting it to end right away.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by polak

Legally I believe it's 18 for positions of power.

So once both parties are 18 it's legal for them to bone regardless of authority.

Which it should be.

[polak]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

After reading all of these comments about how any normal boy would be happy to have sex with their teacher and how they would be a hero to their friends. It does not surprise me that any boy caught in the situation would have trouble saying it was not consensual.

Again, that can apply to any type of sex. Regardless of authority or age.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

Which it should be.

That I may agree with to an extent but I still stand by the fact that the entire dynamic of a male student - female teacher relationship is completely different then the opposite scenerio and thus, a double standard is justified.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well then you are different.

Ever heard of stage fright? Lots of guys can't "perform" when it's their first time, even if it's consensual. They just get too nervous. I find it hard to believe that anyone can perform when they are scared ####less and wanting it to end right away.

Come on you put a national geographic picture boobs of a African tribal woman in front of a hormonal 16 year old boy he is probably more then likely getting a hard on.....but really if you are a 16 year old you are generally pretty easy to be manipulated by a more experienced person . I really don't think rape is the right word it is more being taken advantage of.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'm only going to make this statement pertaining to myself, but I would have loved to have been in the position where some hot female teacher wanted to get down. I had one French teacher that was just 'wow', it would have been like winning the lottery.

But of course, my own wants and desires do not and should not reflect on this situation for everyone else.

and this is exactly why there should be no "one size fits all" punishment for these situations. all kids in these situations should be speaking to a counselor, and the sentencing should be based on their own unique mental understanding of what happened. labeling any adult who has sex with someone under the age of 18 with the same Sex Offender brush regardless of circumstance is ridiculous

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

Come on you put a national geographic picture boobs of a African tribal woman in front of a hormonal 16 year old boy he is probably more then likely getting a hard on.....but really if you are a 16 year old you are generally pretty easy to be manipulated by a more experienced person . I really don't think rape is the right word it is more being taken advantage of.

So how is that different than say a 40 year old dude taking advantage of an 18 year old girl that works for him? Tell her she'll get promoted if she sleeps with him and not to tell anyone. She has the choice to say no and report it to his superior or she can go along with it and get that promotion. If you don't think that happens on a regular basis, then you are pretty naive.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Again, we're talking about consensual sex between both parties. We're not talking about Theo Fleury and Graham James here, because that's twisted. Say a 45 year old NHL coach and a 23 year old NHL player have a consensual gay relationship together. It might be immoral, but it definitely shouldn't be illegal.

But this is exactly the same thing. Heck a woman forced herself on another woman earlier in this thread, but you must have forgot about that because it's women and they can do no harm and they are only victims... Or perhaps it just hurts your ridiculous argument. Or is it just that it doesn't fit your moral code no matter how fracking twisted and emotionally distant it is. You got two stories here. Both we given a "You situation is severe" and set it aside. They are all MINORS. If your a boy or girl you do not look at sex in a mature fashion period.

The fact that you are still trying to argue that it's okay for a female teacher to rape/sexually take advantage of a minor/use position to gain sexual favors is disgusting and lacks and good moral standard.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Oh I agree it probably happens, what I am trying To say is the punishment shouldn't be different if it is male in the boss position or if it is a female. I have a feeling we are discussing to different points here. I just don't agree with the double standard.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

But this is exactly the same thing. Heck a woman forced herself on another woman earlier in this thread, but you must have forgot about that because it's women and they can do no harm and they are only victims... Or perhaps it just hurts your ridiculous argument. Or is it just that it doesn't fit your moral code no matter how fracking twisted and emotionally distant it is. You got two stories here. Both we given a "You situation is severe" and set it aside. They are all MINORS. If your a boy or girl you do not look at sex in a mature fashion period.

The fact that you are still trying to argue that it's okay for a female teacher to rape/sexually take advantage of a minor/use position to gain sexual favors is disgusting and lacks and good moral standard.

No, it's not the same. Or maybe it's potentially not the same. Go back and re-read my arguments.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

Oh I agree it probably happens, what I am trying To say is the punishment shouldn't be different if it is male in the boss position or if it is a female. I have a feeling we are discussing to different points here. I just don't agree with the double standard.

well my point is the male "victim" may have a completely different outlook on what happened vs. the female one. it's not so much a double standard as looking at each situation uniquely. if the male student really is traumatized, then definitely throw the book at the teacher. but those types of situations would likely be a small minority compared to the same thing with the genders reversed

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Again, we're talking about consensual sex between both parties. We're not talking about Theo Fleury and Graham James here, because that's twisted. Say a 45 year old NHL coach and a 23 year old NHL player have a consensual gay relationship together. It might be immoral, but it definitely shouldn't be illegal.

So that is where you fall off the track. If you asked Theo at the time if it was consenual he would have said yes and so would Sheldon.

The problem at that age is that you think it is normal. You have no moral compass in these situations so a supposed "person of trusted authority" is telling you what is normal and what is correct to feel. After all everybody likes them so it must all be good.

Even as an adult it took them awhile to understand what happened was wrong. Yeah I know it seems weird but that is the way our mind works.

And the sex of the victim and the adult does not matter as the victims say the same thing every time "I thought it was normal and I convinced myself it was"

[polak]

What age are you speaking of?

The age of consent is 16 and before 2008 it was 14.
So basically the government thought that 14 year olds are perfectly capable of making such decisions.

I don't think we ever had any "craddle robbing" laws.

[_Q_]

The whole time I have been arguing about heterosexual sex between an under-age male student and an adult female teacher. The Theo Fleury story is different because it's homosexual. Not saying it's not right to be gay, I'm saying that it's difficult to prove consent when it's gay sex, ie. a man can physically rape a boy without his permission in the same way a man can rape a girl without her consent. I also conceded that 14 is too young for boys to be having sex with adults (as is the case in the OP), but the countless many other stories where a female teacher is having sex with her 16 or 17 year old students, it's not that bad. Again not that bad. Should they lose their job? Yes. Should they go to jail for 10 years? Definitely not.

I'm not for having sex with children. That's just disgusting, but a 16 or 17 year old boy having sex with his hot 28 year old English teacher is doing something most boys their age only can dream of.