Trudeau: “Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Why would you say that? The Trudeau family's love for all things communist is well understood. From Pierre being best friends with Castro, his son's fawning editorial over his death, and their family vacationing in cold war Russia to see the future of the world, it's hard not to see their love of the extreme leftwing.

Green text? Hilarious considering Conservatives get all up in arms when Harper's previous affiliations with social conservatives and homophobes is brought up (which are actually much more relevant). Which of PET's proposals was outright communist? Which of Justin's political stances are communist?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Officially the stupidest thing written in this thread.

I think this statement is no longer correct.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by yads

All of the Harper examples are one sentence snippets. This is a 2 minute video. How are these even comparable? What context could that clip be taken out of?

Fair enough, I just struggle to imagine a context that would make this not sound stupid:

Originally Posted by Stephen Harper

— “You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.” Report Newsmagazine, January 2001.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Green text? Hilarious considering Conservatives get all up in arms when Harper's previous affiliations with social conservatives and homophobes is brought up (which are actually much more relevant). Which of PET's proposals was outright communist? Which of Justin's political stances are communist?

Why is it ok for Liberals to bring up Harper's previous affiliations but not the other way?

I never said either had proposals or political stances that were communist, merely that they admired them.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Why is it ok for Liberals to bring up Harper's previous affiliations but not the other way?

I never said either had proposals or political stances that were communist, merely that they admired them.

I never said it wasn't okay to bring them up. I also personally don't see an appreciation for a different type of political ideology as a bad thing.

[WCan_Kid]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

If what Trudeau said was so scandalous and so wrong then why did the Conservatives wait til now to bring it up? Because they are scared. Trudeau apologized for generalizing in the interview and clarified that it was about Harper. It might be a divisive issue for Harper supporters but I'm confident that the average person can see through the spin.

A columnist/editor from the National Post = the Conservative party, didn't realize this was a release from the PMO?

As to your last line - I've never voted conservative and don't see eye to eye with Harper on a lot of issues, doesn't stop me from thinking statements like this (or Mulcair, or McGuinty, or Anders) go against everything a federal politician should stand for.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by WCan_Kid

A columnist/editor from the National Post = the Conservative party, didn't realize this was a release from the PMO?

As to your last line - I've never voted conservative and don't see eye to eye with Harper on a lot of issues, doesn't stop me from thinking statements like this (or Mulcair, or McGuinty, or Anders) go against everything a federal politician should stand for.

Actually I think the original story broke from the Sun newspaper chain.... but your point is still valid.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

If what Trudeau said was so scandalous and so wrong then why did the Conservatives wait til now to bring it up? Because they are scared. Trudeau apologized for generalizing in the interview and clarified that it was about Harper. It might be a divisive issue for Harper supporters but I'm confident that the average person can see through the spin.

The Conservatives didn't wait, they didn't release it, this is all media baby.

I doubt that the Conservatives are shaking about Trudeau, if he wins the Liberal leadership they'll have a couple of years to tear him down, without making up any fiction about him. Trudeau is doing a great job of displaying his impulsive nature and his stupidty all on his own.

they just need to use his own clear quotes agaisnt him.

Right now it sounds like Trudeau would be a better provincial politician in Quebec then a MP trying to be a leader of a Federal Party.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I never said it wasn't okay to bring them up. I also personally don't see an appreciation for a different type of political ideology as a bad thing.

Sure, but idolizing and being the personal VIP guests of a brutal dictator responsible for the murder of many of his own people and huge systematic abuser of human rights would probably be frowned upon by most Canadians. Certainly wouldn't see Mr. Harper hanging around those types with his family.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Conservatives didn't wait, they didn't release it, this is all media baby.

I doubt that the Conservatives are shaking about Trudeau, if he wins the Liberal leadership they'll have a couple of years to tear him down, without making up any fiction about him. Trudeau is doing a great job of displaying his impulsive nature and his stupidty all on his own.

they just need to use his own clear quotes agaisnt him.

Right now it sounds like Trudeau would be a better provincial politician in Quebec then a MP trying to be a leader of a Federal Party.

Silly Cap'n...

Its the evil neo cons who control the media...dont ya know?? So they had the CBC lead story planted....get with the times man.

(before anyone gets their knickers twisted, this is all said in jest)

[MarchHare]

It's highly unlikely a random reporter decided to look into all of Trudeau's past interviews dating back multiple years to try to find something damaging. A far more likely scenario is that someone (not necessarily affiliated with the CPC, although that is the most probable source) was sitting on this quote and decided to pitch this story to a friendly reporter now. That's how most PR/media relations work.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

It's highly unlikely a random reporter decided to look into all of Trudeau's past interviews dating back multiple years to try to find something damaging. A far more likely scenario is that someone (not necessarily affiliated with the CPC, although that is the most probable source) was sitting on this quote and decided to pitch this story to a friendly reporter now. That's how most PR/media relations work.

But it doesn't matter, if you don't say ######ed ####, it won't come back to bite you in the ass. It's not like it was recorded in a bathroom, it was a TV interview.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I find it hard to believe in this day and age that someone wasn't sitting on this for sometime. Two years and absolutelty nobody notices it until now? Not with the internet. Obviously using it when Trudeau isn't anything of note is a waste of a good soundbite to attack him and the Liberals with. Strangely though it seems premature to even be using this, as it makes more sense to save this for closer to the Liberal leadership decision to really hurt him. Instead they need it now to ensure they don't lose this seat that they thought was a gimme.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Sure, but idolizing and being the personal VIP guests of a brutal dictator responsible for the murder of many of his own people and huge systematic abuser of human rights would probably be frowned upon by most Canadians. Certainly wouldn't see Mr. Harper hanging around those types with his family.

Just saying...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I find it hard to believe in this day and age that someone wasn't sitting on this for sometime. Two years and absolutelty nobody notices it until now? Not with the internet. Obviously using it when Trudeau isn't anything of note is a waste of a good soundbite to attack him and the Liberals with. Strangely though it seems premature to even be using this, as it makes more sense to save this for closer to the Liberal leadership decision to really hurt him. Instead they need it now to ensure they don't lose this seat that they thought was a gimme.

Maybe the original reporter realized how damaging this was to precious Justin and tried to bury it in an archive never to see the light of day, but some one else found it realized that it was uh news and put it out there.

Maybe the Liberal's and Justin tried to bribe the guy to keep it a secret but because the Liberal's are pretty much broke the check bounced and the reporter in a fit of rage called the sun and got paid to release it.

Conspiracies can happen on both sides.

[NBC]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I never said it wasn't okay to bring them up. I also personally don't see an appreciation for a different type of political ideology as a bad thing.

"I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Kind of like this?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Slava

This is a good try by the CPC. I will give them 6/10 because its not their best effort. Last time when they broke out the decade old "Jack Layton rode his bike and got a massage" was a far better smear campaign.

I dunno, I was pretty upset at that Layton smear job, but these comments of his kinda piss me off. 2010 wasn't that long ago, and why would his viewpoints change?

It does kinda remind me of the Liberal party at the end of their rule like the article suggests. Not a good feeling.

Like Kavy I am looking for reasons to like the Liberal party because of some of the new bills Harper has introduced, but this sure doesn't help.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by NBC

"I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Kind of like this?

"He's a nihilist."

"That sounds exhausting."

[Ark2]

I don't think that Justin Trudeau is what the Liberal Party needs right now. He seems to be playing out the same strategy that the last two Liberal leaders used. Talking about how out of touch Harper is with Canada and how he doesn't represent the interests of Canadians. We've heard this same narrative in every election that Harper has run in. The result? Every election has seen Harper win a stronger mandate than the election before. Opposition parties need to stop underestimating Harper and the CPC.

This sense of arrogance and entitlement that states that only the Liberals know what Canadians want and need was a big part of their downfall and they can't seem to get out of this mindset. The Liberals need a leader that is going to come out and apologize for taking the support of Canadians for granted during previous governments. One that does not proceed to assume the support of Canadians, but rather, is determined to earn it back. Stop with this "I know what's best for Canada" crap. You don't and you are going to get obliterated in the next election if you don't do something different.

Watch this guy in action and try to tell me that he has a chance. I just don't see it.



I'm a Conservative supporter, but lately, some of the things that they have been doing don't sit right with me, and I have to think that it has a lot to do with the fact that they realize just how weak the opposition parties are and that they can get away with it. A strong opposition party keeps the sitting government in check, and while Justin Trudeau and his theatrics will probably bring the Liberals back to second party status, it likely won't have any affect on how the CPC governs, which is unfortunate in my opinion.

[transplant99]

Awesome^^^

At the 50 second mark...

"This country is about respect"

Except if you are an Albertan of course, then you are everything wrong with Quebec.

Mind boggling. Even better at the beginning of his ill guided rant, he mentions how Canadians are sad to see the Canada that "we built" going in the direction it is....one question there slick.....who is "we"? I know that Liberals in Ottawa have long thought they know whats best for everybody else, but I am pretty sure that people from both sides of the political spectrum as well as (gasp!) people from Alberta have sat in the power chairs of the HoC. Do they get included in "we" as well, or as I believe do you mean "we" as the powerbroking Liberal Quebec elitists?