Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens Anticipation Thread *NO SPOILERS*

[Locke]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Yeah I hear ya. Pixar sold for 7.4 billion and it just seems like the Star Wars franchise and all that it encompasses is worth more. Uneducated opinion.

Maybe Watto rolled a chance cube and Lucas came out on the bottom.

I've spent a good deal of time hoping Lucas came out on the bottom of a great many things.

Mostly lakes, ditches and graves mind you, but it is what it is.

I can never forgive him for 1, 2 and 3, or IJ4 but as a human hes starting to redeem himself.

Either that or after signing that philanthropy pact he knew he was going to toss most of it anyways and just let Disney have it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

the Sith to me are the ultimate cool bad concept.

for generations you had thousands of Sith wandering around as one empire or empire wannabe after another.

Finally Reven comes to the realization that the dark side of the force which is destructive by nature will create a constant side of dark side war. He also comes to the decision that the fewer hands the dark side is in the more powerful the individual.

So he dies and 3000 years later Darth Bane rises during the war between the Brother Hood of darkness and the Jedi, he is originally trained inthe brotherhood but realizes that the Sith themselves are weak and will always fight openly amongst themselves or against the Jedi and they will never take the galaxy. He sees a group of Sith as ultimately corrupting the Sith legacy. So he betrays and murders all of the Sith but himself after finding Reven's holocron.

He decides that the Sith need to re-invent themselves, use the darkside to destroy the Jedi from the shadow through manipulation and the gaining of power. He further's Reven's teaching and decides that there should only be two Sith.

Two there are no more and no less, one to embody power and one to crave it.

The Master represents that power and passes on the information to his apprentice while continuing the grand plan of the Sith, which is to reform the republic, remove corruption create a better more ordered universe based around the rule of an enlightened few (two) since mundane people will do more harm to the galaxy then good.

The Apprentice learns, executes his masters plan and strives to become more powerful then the master at which point the master is deemed unworthy and the student overthrows him and seizes the master role and takes an apprentice of his own.

Because of the rule of two the Sith understanding gained from aquiring power is always growing and shifting until you end up with Palpatine who was the most power Sith that ever lived, he was able to step from the shadows and execute the Grand Plan of the Sith. He had an apprentice who was flawed because in his form (Vader) could never be more powerful then his master.

Realistically the Banite line died when Vader took a lava bath unless he found a way to kill Palpatine.

When Vader died there was no apprentice, when Palpatine died all of the Sith knowledge gathered over 30,000 years was pretty much lost, there was no one to step into that void.

If some Jedi turned dark and decided to be a Sith he would literally have the no knowledge of the Sith Arts and no one to teach it to him.

You would have a Dark Jedi.

What's the difference you ask? A dark Jedi is an agent of chaos driven by anger and hate and revenge.

A Sith understands that those base emotions give him great power, however the Sith also learned that they needed to use those emotions as a tool in executing the Grand Plan and not become a slave to those emotions, they had to understand them to get to a higher goal.

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[GreenLantern]

Hrmm your summaries CC make me want to read some of these books now.. I have never explored the Star Wars universe, just enjoyed the movies/video games.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Hrmm your summaries CC make me want to read some of these books now.. I have never explored the Star Wars universe, just enjoyed the movies/video games.

I really enjoyed the Bane Trilogy by Lucerno

the Darth Plageous book to me was excellent because it gave a bunch of back story to Palpatine.

the best series was the trilogy around revenge of the Sith

Labaryth of Evil, Revenge of the Sith and Dark Lord the rise of Darth Vader.

I find much of the post ROTJ stuff to be terrible where you have a bunch of massively over powered Jedi fighting massively stupid enemies (A slab of meat painted gold) or super Weapons (eye of Palpatine)

While I did enjoy the fall of Jacen Solo in the and the new civil war, the Vong stuff got stupid, as did the Fate of the Jedi series which tried to link to the Clone wars.

The old republic books were decent.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate the Thrawn trilogy, he was just underwhelming in that series and you never felt that our heros were in trouble and the whole Joorus C'boath Luuuuke clones made me cringe.

[Northendzone]

i guess i am among the minority who mostly enjoyed the movies for what they were and i did not spend a lot of time trying to connect and analyze them.

disney's schedule seems ambitious (but i guess i am making that comment based on how long it took them to originally make each movie), but i am looking forward to it and hope to enjoy it with my family.

[HPLovecraft]

Hasn't Carrie Fisher lost a ton of weight? I think she'd at least look alright playing an older Leia, if she actually wanted to do it.

[Bigtime]

So many possibilities, a movie version of "Dark Empire" would be hella sweet.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Empire

I want to see a 17.5km long Star Destroyer with a planet cracking superlaser.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

So many possibilities, a movie version of "Dark Empire" would be hella sweet.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Empire

I want to see a 17.5km long Star Destroyer with a planet cracking superlaser.

Its pretty rare that I outright hate something Star Wars, I was sucked into the Galaxy Far Far Away and I still enjoy it.

But the Dark Empire/Dark Empire 2 stuff was just terrible to me.

As soon as Paalpatine rolled out the Galaxy Gun I sold the comics.

[Jacks]

Well CC knows a hell of a lot more about this than I do, I would suspect more than 98% of fans. I just know the movies and some of the games. Knowing the movie formula I'm sure they will have the rise of a bad guy that gathers up the remnants of the old empire, dark jedi's etc and challenges Luke's newly rebuilt Jedi order. It could be good if done right.

I would really look forward to the KOTOR storyline in a prequel, the story in the first game was pretty good.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sorry but I have to jump into this fray cause its such a fun topic.

There are a few clarifications.

If you look at the original concept of the 1-9 idea behind Star Wars and George Lucas' original vision, beyond the fact that the Emperor was orginally not a force user, and that Vader wasn't Luke's father, the entire story that you saw in episodes 1-6 were represented in 1-9 without us even seeing the Emperor until I think Episode 7. Episode 9 ended with his death at the hands of Luke and the overthrow of the Empire. There wasn't a post empire story written with the exception of a epilogue where the galaxy live happily ever after.

Lucas was fairly clear that the whole Star Wars story as presented in 1-6 was the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, with his death that was pretty much it, the whole Lucas had the vision of the after empire was pretty much a creation of fanboys based on what Lucas said in interviews where he speculated what happened after the death of Palpatine.

As far as what the future holds in terms of stories, I'm not sure what you can do. The main enemy the Sith are gone extinct and wiped out except in the EU which for the most part is terrible post BOE. But the Sith line is dead, the force is balanced, the Jedi have been reformed. Palpatine is dead, he didn't come back as a supervillian clone, Anakin is redeemed and gone.

The Empire is pretty much gone, they showed the revolutions happening in ROTJ, you might have an over powering fleet, but it seems like for the most part the leaders of the fleet were pretty much bumbling morons fits for kitchen duty "Sir theres a ship coming" "Good our first catch of the day" then loss. The storm troopers in the GFFA were pretty much incompetant replications of the original clone, but they were worthless and dumb.

So the empire is dead.

So who are the enemies to the Republic?

Could you dip into the EU to pull something up.

Some mysterious warlord like Thrawn? Maybem except you'd have to pull out a far better tactical genious then a blue guy who loses pretty much every key battle, losses control of his body guards and stares at art all day.

Maybe the Sith can rise again? Doubtful the cool idea of the rule of two is that the master passes on his knowledge to the apprentice until the apprentice is strong enough to kill the master and take on the apprentice while growing his power. With the death of Vader and Palpatine that knowledge is gone, any Sith rising would have next to no Sith knowledge and would have to start from square one.

Maybe something from outside of the galaxy like the Vong, a religeous race of sadists that shoot snot, lava and bugs at people. ok maybe not.

I doubt that you can re-engineer another direct attack on the jedi or a new republic in three movies.

To me the cool thing about the 6 episodes (And I liked them all with some part exceptions) was you have a repulic that had stood for 10's of thousands of years that fell due to corruption, ignorance and subtle pushes from a great villian concept. You saw a empire rise and fall for the same reasons as the republic. You saw a good man go bad for the right reasons and because he believed his father figures lie.

You can dislike Jake Lloyd and the young Anikan concepts, you can hate Jar Jar (Even thought he did put a nail in the coffin of the republic ) you can hate the whole lost the will to live thing. But the story from 1-6 was to me fantastic anchored by some really great characters, amazing effects some strong writing at times and a good vision.

I would prefer that they don't extend the story line, that they leave what happened after the Jedi alone.

There are other amazing times that I would like to see.

Pre-old republic, the formation of the Jedi and the original schisms between the light and dark side of the force.

The great hyperspace wars that lead to the founding of the Sith who were exiled Jedi.

How about the Old Republic stories the Mandalore wars.

I would love love to see a movie based on the Ruusan wars the destruction of the Sith brotherhood by one of their own and the rise of Bane and the rule of two.

You could even do a trilogy between 3 and 4, theres like a whole rising of the Empire and creation of the Rebels and if you want dark, that's dark.

I'm hoping they don't go past episode 6, there's no point

See ya

I just like seeing the spaceships go into hyper space. So awesome!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Well CC knows a hell of a lot more about this than I do, I would suspect more than 98% of fans. I just know the movies and some of the games. Knowing the movie formula I'm sure they will have the rise of a bad guy that gathers up the remnants of the old empire, dark jedi's etc and challenges Luke's newly rebuilt Jedi order. It could be good if done right.

I would really look forward to the KOTOR storyline in a prequel, the story in the first game was pretty good.

If I was going to look at that kind of story. Maybe you could have a jedi or group of jedi that survived order 66, they see the Rise of the Jedi under luke as a mistake that will unbalance the force and allow for a eventual rise of the dark side.

so these rougue jedi have decided that the Jedi should never rise as a power and get involved in galactic politics again so they decide that the Jedi have to be destroyed or disbanded for all time and go to war. Along the way Jedi can fall to the dark side and we start to see the dark side versus light side again and Luke realizes that the pattern of the force is that there always has to be conflict between the dark and light side, because he realizes that he can't bring peace to the galaxy he renounces the force, disbands the order and vanishes into the outer rim.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Well CC knows a hell of a lot more about this than I do, I would suspect more than 98% of fans. I just know the movies and some of the games. Knowing the movie formula I'm sure they will have the rise of a bad guy that gathers up the remnants of the old empire, dark jedi's etc and challenges Luke's newly rebuilt Jedi order. It could be good if done right.

I would really look forward to the KOTOR storyline in a prequel, the story in the first game was pretty good.

that's exactly what I wouldn't want. No more Jedi vs. Sith, they need a completely new idea or else what's the point? No more of the Empire. I say bring in something completely new in the same universe, something that comes as a result of the end of the Sith. A mysterious alien relic or something that respawns an ancient race of super beings that come back and want vengeance... or something like that. If they stick to the old formulas it just becomes a cash cow, I don't see why they couldn't come up with something original. Something that unites the galaxy against an unknown threat, the Jedi's, the Strormtroopers and every other random species that's been good or bad, make them unite against a common enemy that can manipulate the force. I guess the point is the director shouldn't be afraid to come up with something completely new, a new story arc. I'm always for ingenious and talented directors to try something new, the Batman series was so good because Nolan was willing to take risks as where a movie like Avatar was so insanely formulaic and predictable that I never want to see it again.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Jacks

From what I've heard VII is supposed to be 30-40 years after Endor. If that is the case why couldn't Hamill play Skywalker again? Same with Ford and Fisher? Seems to me that the old characters would look about the right age, nothing that make up couldn't make believeable.

Obviously you wouldn't want them to be the main characters but they could cover background roles.

You give Hamill a real job again and he probably gets back in shape in a year. Not sure if Fisher would care enough though.

I would love to see Hamill come in a Star Wars film. Though most people only know him as Skywalker, he is also is the Joker (best version).

It would be really cool to see him back playing Luke.

Like CC said though. Not sure how they will make another trilogy based on all the Star Wars lore.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If some Jedi turned dark and decided to be a Sith he would literally have the no knowledge of the Sith Arts and no one to teach it to him..

i disagree that the knowledge would be lost forever. they could easily write about a Jedi turning away from the order and finding some lost Sith holocrons, or hell just have them visit Korriban. lots of Sith lords there who never seem to stay dead, they could either teach young dark Jedi the ways of the Sith, he could try to resurrect one of them (Marka Ragnos) or they could just say the hell with it and possess him (Exar Kun)

that's the whole underlying theme of Star Wars IMO, evil is never truly dead. the Sith will always be a threat in one form or another

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Nolan? Not to thread-jack or anything, but I find his name being mentioned with someone that cares about story telling, baffling. Good acting and effects, sure, but he is one lazy story teller.

Storytelling is as much about pacing and character development as it is the specific plot points. The Batman series was about the characters, the way Joker kept switching his story, the way Bane would kill anyone at an instant. It made them unique, I agree with you somewhat and I know exactly what you mean. He probably couldn't do it on his own, but he couldn't do any worse than Lucas. I just hope they don't kill it with a director that sticks to formulas and special effects over making actually interesting characters.

That's why Ep. 1-3 were awful, the characters were cardboard cutouts that had literally no appeal to them whatsoever. Sure the story was god awful, but had they made the characters interesting it would have actually been enjoyable. There was no way to empathize with Anakin even though he was becoming the bad guy, take Butcher Bill in Gangs of New York. Even though you knew he was pure evil you could still see his reason and it was actually interesting to hear what he had to say. Or Hannibal Lecter, or the Joker. When the Joker talked you hung to every word he said, maybe his goals were stupid and unrealistic but there's no doubting he was a good character. Without good characters the plot doesn't matter.

[SuperMatt18]

Rumor is it will not be based on any of the existing material and will be a completely original storyline.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/10/3...original-story

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Rumor is it will not be based on any of the existing material and will be a completely original storyline.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/10/3...original-story

so are they just going to ignore the expanded universe completely? i believe that events post-ROTJ are covered in quite a bit of detail for decades afterwards, so if they did try and make the books not completely irrelevant i don't know where they'd place the new series

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

so are they just going to ignore the expanded universe completely? i believe that events post-ROTJ are covered in quite a bit of detail for decades afterwards, so if they did try and make the books not completely irrelevant i don't know where they'd place the new series

I wouldn't expect them to touch the expanded universe. For whatever high-profile director and/or screenwriter gets the series, it's unlikely they'd care at all about the EU and would want to do their own thing. The fan community for the books is also relatively tiny and won't reach a consensus on which series is best, so they won't be able to apply any pressure on the studios. Lucas has even stated that the EU had zero influence on his movies, so there is no precedent.

All in all, no EU, can't see it happening.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Matata

I wouldn't expect them to touch the expanded universe. For whatever high-profile director and/or screenwriter gets the series, it's unlikely they'd care at all about the EU and would want to do their own thing. The fan community for the books is also relatively tiny and won't reach a consensus on which series is best, so they won't be able to apply any pressure on the studios. Lucas has even stated that the EU had zero influence on his movies, so there is no precedent.

All in all, no EU, can't see it happening.

Lucasfilms though has always been pretty high on maintaining continuity within the EU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wa...and_canonicity

All EU material, combined with that presented in the films is meant to function as a complete story. However, in order to allow this story to function as a whole, it must be kept under in an order of continuity. Lucasfilm holds this of such high importance that a teams' sole job at Lucasfilm is maintaining continuity between Lucas's films, and the EU, which is written by many other authors and artists, many times out of order, and with many different ideas.

Lucas himself was never restrained by the EU, but he did borrow things from it for the prequels. with him no longer in charge, i'm curious to see how they decide to treat it