Tim Thomas Stands with Chick-Fil-A (i.e. against gay marriage)

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

BTW - Chick-Fil-A is reporting record sales now. Coming out against same-sex marriage has been an absolute boon for the company as people are flocking to their restaurants now.

Time for the chickens to take a courageous stand and boycott Chick-Fil-A.

Cowperson

[AR_Six]

Totally unrelated but unless fake, pretty epic.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

I think that moving forward there are a lot of interesting applications of liberal theory to the current reality.

As a "political theorist," I would argue that the souls or psyche's of human beings are reflected in the regimes they live in. That is, I follow Aristotle or even Plato by saying that the city is the soul writ large. So, that is my level of analysis, and it applies to liberal societies insofar as the philosophers who essentially wrote our souls into our regimes had a very specific idea about what they were doing to the human soul that would make it particularly amenable to liberalism.

So, in regards to what you are talking about, I believe that you feel that the power of the religious lobby (no doubt, true) has somehow created a faction that significantly differs from what could be considered the "Good," or the "Just" way of doing things. The reality of liberalism is that there is no objective standard beyond safety, stability, or order, right? We don't have the divine right of monarchical authority, and we have abandoned the classical rationalism, which attempted to logically explain political orders.

So, there is really no convincing means to disrupt or legislate against these religious groups. We have to simply live and let live. Conversely, this standard applies to them as well, which is why the gay marriage has been so convoluted, particularly in the American context. The state, simply, should not be involved, and the logical next-step is to remove all federal, and state legislation on the governance of marriage.

If you look at say John Locke's discussion of the family in the 2nd Treatise, you will find no reference to morality, other than the simple fact that parents must treat their children like any other investment. From the liberal perspective, marriage is a financial, not a moral contract, and thus, it should (note the normative language) be freely accessed by all consenting individuals.

Political realities are always different, but they can be accessed by an inquiring mind somewhat beyond the realm of partisan opinion.

What a load of crap. Liberal democracy (even in the U.S.) has been trending the way of Mill, Bentham, and Kant for the better part of the last 150 years. Also, any political theorist worth his salt knows that the main theories of Locke and Hobbes are horrendously flawed, specifically their views on human nature.

EDIT: Not to mention that what you're stating is a fallacy on several levels.

[troutman]

Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. ..
David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day!
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And René Descartes was a drunken fart:
"I drink, therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
(Monty P.)

What else could I say?
Everyone is gay.
(Kurt C.)

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Almost none of the anti-gay marriage crowd that have posted in here answer questions they're asked. They either skip the post entirely and pretend it doesn't exist, or they just go and ask another question themselves that, again, does nothing for their argument. Even when they are asked the same questions over and over.

My only explanation is they're reacting to the idea of gay marriage purely emotionally, not rationally, and when posed a question that threatens their emotional response with critical reason, they don't want to allow themselves to acknowledge it because of the difficult problems it raises for themselves.

Furthering this, he has basically now disappeared after the questioning got to be pretty tough, and he seemed to be painted into a corner. Rather than coming out and simply standing by his beliefs, he runs to avoid admitting what would make him look bad. If you're afraid your beliefs will be mocked by the majority and thus choose to not fully admit them, it seems kind of cowardly to me.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Totally unrelated but unless fake, pretty epic.

It is true http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1699385.html

I think Mitt respects her astronaut abilities, while condemning her sexuality to a burning lake of fire along with increasing his efforts to deny GLBT community the rights that other Americans enjoy.

[EddyBeers]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,3873417.story

The second campaign encourages members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community to participate in a same-sex "kiss-in" Friday at Chick-fil-A outlets nationwide. Both events -- as well as overarching calls to boycott the company -- have the backing of GLAAD.

Poor god fearing folks going to Chick-fil-A, they are going to be mighty uncomfortable with men kissing men and women kissing women in front of their store.

[Flash Walken]

Chik-Fil-A, now with entertainment!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

women kissing women in front of their store.

Chik-Fill-A-Chik

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Chik-Fil-A, now with entertainment!

I kind of wish I lived in the US and near one of these. I'd call in sick the next few days just to watch these protests go at each other.

[HPLovecraft]

Sweet protest-on-protest action.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Sweet protest-on-protest action.

[HPLovecraft]

Those poor Christians inside forced to witness such a hellish sight . . .

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Those poor Christians inside forced to witness such a hellish sight . . .

I'm guessing there will be some Christians kissing each other as well, same sex even.

Let's not polarize this issue even more than it already is.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Those poor Christians inside forced to witness such a hellish sight . . .

Jesus does advise us to be vigilant. http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegos.../a/mark13f.htm

I suppose Dad can just say he is being vigilant in case Jesus comes to the Chick-a-Fil while he is witnessing that hellish sight.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'm guessing there will be some Christians kissing each other as well, same sex even.

Let's not polarize this issue even more than it already is.

I highly doubt my single comment is going to somehow polarize this issue any more than it already is, lol. Give me a break, peacekeeper. Unless you somehow think this isn't about a bunch of socially conservative Christians defending "traditional marriage" based on a Biblical interpretation of what that means, and basing their protests around an avowed Christian evangelist and his chicken business?

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I highly doubt my single comment is going to somehow polarize this issue any more than it already is, lol. Give me a break, peacekeeper.

Not only that, the protests were organized by Huckabee reaching out to the evangelical community to support the beliefs of Cathy who is an ardent Christian and says that the Bible governs all of his decisions, this despite the fact that the New Testament is virtually silent on this important issue to his faith and despite the fact that his saviour Jesus Christ is completely silent on the issue in the 4 gospels. I am pretty sure it is safe to say that the majority of the protestors in favour of Cathy are Christians. Muslims and Jews are probably not eating at his restaurant given that the meat would not be halal nor kosher. I have never heard of the large atheist or agnostic movement against gay marriage.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

How could anyone be upset about that?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I highly doubt my single comment is going to somehow polarize this issue any more than it already is, lol. Give me a break, peacekeeper. Unless you somehow think this isn't about a bunch of socially conservative Christians defending "traditional marriage" based on a Biblical interpretation of what that means, and basing their protests around an avowed Christian evangelist and his chicken business?

Why distort the issue though? Your single comment might not make a difference. But if everyone involved in discussion makes comments that don't offer a realistic point of view about the whole thing pretty soon it becomes US vs THEM and nobody can remember what started the whole thing.

I don't understand this need to pigeonhole everything.

Being Christian and homosexual are not mutually exclusive, though I'm sure some people believe they are. I'm neither. I would just hope for civility, respect and honesty. Doesn't seem to be much of that anymore.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Not only that, the protests were organized by Huckabee reaching out to the evangelical community to support the beliefs of Cathy who is an ardent Christian and says that the Bible governs all of his decisions, this despite the fact that the New Testament is virtually silent on this important issue to his faith and despite the fact that his saviour Jesus Christ is completely silent on the issue in the 4 gospels. I am pretty sure it is safe to say that the majority of the protestors in favour of Cathy are Christians. Muslims and Jews are probably not eating at his restaurant given that the meat would not be halal nor kosher. I have never heard of the large atheist or agnostic movement against gay marriage.

Well, that's one side of the controversy. You don't think there are Christians on the other side of it?