Tim Thomas Stands with Chick-Fil-A (i.e. against gay marriage)

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Do you think it is fair to bring a child into the world without a father? Especially when there are plenty of children in the world in foster care?

So, with that many kids in foster care, isn't beneficial to have increased supply of parents?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

What a ridiculous argument. Lesbians can't be alcoholics or abusive but all fathers are?

Notice you don't answer the question, which by default means yes. How is it ridiculous? You're saying basically as much, that any heterosexual couple will raise their child better than a same-sex couple. I'm offering you the choice: Alcoholic, mentally and physically (and for good measure sexually) abusive straight parents, or normal lesbian couple? Make a choice and don't give us a non-answer.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Do you think it is fair to bring a child into the world without a father? Especially when there are plenty of children in the world in foster care?

So you're saying that lesbians who have children are shirking their moral duty by not adopting kids from foster care? Does that logic apply to heterosexual couples who have kids as well? I suspect not.

[Senator Clay Davis]

FYI BlackRedGold, if you're not aware there's a similar thread going on in the hockey discussion thread, in case you wanted to spread the intolerance around a little.

[undercoverbrother]

WOW BlackRedGold25, is like a new Springs1

[HOOT]

Spring1 was at least funny! BlackRedGold25 is embarrassing!

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

WOW BlackRedGold25, is like a new Springs1

Or an old GreenTeaFrapp...

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I don't think I'd enjoy heterosexuality.

Marriage is both a religious and a civil institution. It may have once been only a religious institution but as soon as government became involved it added a different dimension to the institution. Here is the thing: religion has the right to discriminate...government does not. It's ruling doctrine is the Constitution/Charter which enshrines equality rights. It also should not legislate "separate but equal" types of institutions like civil unions because the very fact that it is separate makes it inherently unequal.

Marriage was a civil institution in most parts of the world that was co-opted by religion to become a religious institution. Ancient Greece and Rome had marriage long before any Christian thought the concept was fundamental to their religion. Jews had marriage in ancient times as well, but if we go from that traditional definition of marriage women would be the property of the husband, men could have multiple wives and concubines and a man could divorce his wife if she was unclean.

I am assuming for most people who care about "traditional" marriage, they mean the Christian version of marriage, that is the version that is the bedrock of modern society. I am assuming they do not include anti-miscegenation laws, so they must mean traditional marriage post 1967 (at least in the American concept). So basically the traditional marriage that I am assuming enlightened individuals like BlackRedGold25 are fighting for is that sweet spot of matrimonial bliss in the spring of 1968, before the hippes started screwing up marriage.

[Devils'Advocate]

BTW - Chick-Fil-A is reporting record sales now. Coming out against same-sex marriage has been an absolute boon for the company as people are flocking to their restaurants now.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

BTW - Chick-Fil-A is reporting record sales now. Coming out against same-sex marriage has been an absolute boon for the company as people are flocking to their restaurants now.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

oops my bad you are right........

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

BTW - Chick-Fil-A is reporting record sales now. Coming out against same-sex marriage has been an absolute boon for the company as people are flocking to their restaurants now.

"It's only a small group of fundamentalists that make all of American Christians look bigoted!!" - All those people lined up at Chick-Fil-A

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I grew up in the Salvation Army church, I'm sure it has its faults and I'm sure someone who is well versed on the subject can point out some horrible things they've done, wouldn't surprise me. However being a fairly non-religious person now I wouldn't change my God-fearing mother and father bringing me to the Sally Ann every Sunday. This particular church anyways was always very open and loving of everyone and the spirit of giving was well alive in that place.

So too be fair I've seen lines like that by Christians to help the homeless or poor or others.

Growing up in my Salvation Army church there was a pretty openly gay guy who was well accepted by all (or it seemed at least?) jokes were made by some, jokes that would probably be for less ears now... but he was accepted and never shunned. This was in the mid 90's I guess. It's entirely possible I'm looking at this church with the nostalgic vision of a pylon though.

It is unfortunate that that church of mine seems to be rare compared to how unviting some church groups still are.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I don't really think that's true.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Do you think it is fair to bring a child into the world without a father? Especially when there are plenty of children in the world in foster care?

So the kids that are in foster care, because their heterosexual parents are unable to properly care for them, somehow would be impacted by a gay couple adopting or having children from a previous marriage?

Trust me when I say that the adoption process is far more through than any process ANY biological parent could go though before being allowed to have kids. I would bet on the adoptive parent being 'better' every time, without question.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I'm always amazed how someone can go almost 10 years on this forum then suddenly go full ###### on a certain topic. Putting the gay aspect aside, BlackRedGold25 has shown some incredible ignorance on the adoption process alone.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Notice you don't answer the question

Almost none of the anti-gay marriage crowd that have posted in here answer questions they're asked. They either skip the post entirely and pretend it doesn't exist, or they just go and ask another question themselves that, again, does nothing for their argument. Even when they are asked the same questions over and over.

My only explanation is they're reacting to the idea of gay marriage purely emotionally, not rationally, and when posed a question that threatens their emotional response with critical reason, they don't want to allow themselves to acknowledge it because of the difficult problems it raises for themselves.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

That's rather rude. Your mother must have done a poor job of raising you, regardless of her sexuality, for you to be that rude.

Having children means creating children, not adopting or raising them.

Thank you so much for letting me know that being adopted and raised by my parents doesn't fall into the "having children" category.

When people would ask my mom if she had children she always said yes. I guess my mom is a big old liar.

[SeeBass]

Over 20 mentions of Gluttony in the Bible only 4 about homosexuality

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I grew up in the Salvation Army church, .

So did I. I hated every minute of it, and it's a huge issue between my folks and I.