Lee Stempniak

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by FAN

The NHL regular season is essentially from October to May with a few games in April. A 20 goal scorer who isn't streaky will typically score at least 2 goals every month from October to May with some months scoring more than 2.

Stempniak is considered a streaky goal scorer because he goes on these long goal droughts. Stempniak is the type of player who would score 6+ one month and then none the next.

The only month in which Stempiak never never scored a goal in the past 2 seasons where he played a game was February 2011

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

The only month in which Stempiak never never scored a goal in the past 2 seasons where he played a game was February 2011

Just a wild guess, is this a month when he was injured?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Just a wild guess, is this a month when he was injured?

that was 2012, he never played a game that month so I didn't feel it fair to include it.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

The only month in which Stempiak never never scored a goal in the past 2 seasons where he played a game was February 2011

March 2012

8 GP 1 goal 1 assist -3 18 SOG 1 PPG 1 PPA 2 PIM 16:03 toi/gm

I know ....extrapulate it.... he might have got 2 goals if he played 16 games.

Once the pressure was off and the Flames were out of the play offs he padded his stats with a goal and assist in the 2 meaningless games in April.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

March 2012

8 GP 1 goal 1 assist -3 18 SOG 1 PPG 1 PPA 2 PIM 16:03 toi/gm

I know ....extrapulate it.... he might have got 2 goals if he played 16 games.

Once the pressure was off and the Flames were out of the play offs he padded his stats with a goal and assist in the 2 meaningless games in April.

Your blind hate for players is nauseating.

You give no leeway or no consideration to factors outside of pure stats, like the fact that Stempniak had just returned from injury where he wasn't even able to skate for much of his time on IR.

You don't need to waste your time, or mine replying because I won't be able to read your posts anymore.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FAN

The NHL regular season is essentially from October to May with a few games in April. A 20 goal scorer who isn't streaky will typically score at least 2 goals every month from October to May with some months scoring more than 2.

Stempniak is considered a streaky goal scorer because he goes on these long goal droughts. Stempniak is the type of player who would score 6+ one month and then none the next.

Any evidence to support this claim?

Any examples of a '20 goal scorer who isn't streaky'?

[Poe969]

Stemniak isn't a bad player. He, much like most of our team, just isn't good enough. For the past few years we've been a team full of 20 goal scoring 3rd line players that don't have enough tallent to get it done. Stempniak is just that. He's a guy who can score here or there and is an ok support guy. My biggest issue with having him on the team is that we have too many guys like that already. He's injured often, not clutch and has no real amazing qualities. He is a decent player, but we have a lot of decent players and not enough super star players and I think thats why so many people have issues with him being on the team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Any examples of a '20 goal scorer who isn't streaky'?

Hagman was a far more established 20 goal scorer than Stempniak and he became non-streaky, in that he stop scoring at all and was consistently not scoring.


The same goes for Kotalik.

There is a very good evidence that Stempniak's streakiness has come to an end....

Take away his 14 goals in 18 games to start his time in Phoenix and Stempniak has not scored 20 goals in any season since 2006-07.

Phoenix figured out what his top end was and found him a poor value at 1.9M / year.

Now he is just top 6 filler... He is the kind of player that non-playoff teams have filling in their roster.


Does anyone every imagine him scoring 25-30 goals?

Which is more likely.... him popping in 14 goals in 18 games and scoring 25 over a season or him scoring 10-14 ?

Of the rest of the Flames top 6 - Iginla, Cammalleri, Hudler, Glencross are expected to score 25-30 based on last year. Tanguay may not but he is expected to put up 50-60 pts.

There will be injuries and disappointments but those are likely results and would not be considered surprises.

Who has a better chance of putting up 25 goals Stempniak, Baertschi, Cervenka or Comeau? Comeau had 24 just the season before last.

[clancy]

I agree. Vector was adamant that it was Sutters coaching and he should have been paired with offensive players, but it will likely be the same this year. He just doesnt fit in a top 6 role, and top 9 may be a stretch.

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i don't understand the re-signing of stempniak at all.

they have said baertchi has a spot on the roster, and we all feel he should.

in the top 9 where is there space for stempniak??
LW
Tanguay
Cammalleri
Baertchi

RW
Iginla
Hudler
glencross (who can play either wing)

my pencilled in (guestimate) at the lineup is something along the lines of:
tanguay - backlund/cervanka - iginla
cammalleri - backlund/cervanka - hudler
baertchi - stajan - glencross
comeau - jones - jackman

comeau >> stempniak in a 4th line role.

so where does stempniak fit?

I would have preferred letting stempniak walk, and hoping bouma, nemisz, byron could step up during camp to fill the 13th forward role.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i don't understand the re-signing of stempniak at all.


my pencilled in (guestimate) at the lineup is something along the lines of:
tanguay - backlund/cervanka - iginla
cammalleri - backlund/cervanka - hudler
baertchi - stajan - glencross
comeau - jones - jackman

comeau >> stempniak in a 4th line role.

so where does stempniak fit?

I would have preferred letting stempniak walk, and hoping bouma, nemisz, byron could step up during camp to fill the 13th forward role.

I would put the Tanguay-Cervanka-Iginla as the first line. skilled player and two players who can score.

2nd line: Baertchi-Cammy-Hudler - smallish forwards but will be a fast line.

3rd line: Stempniak-Backlund-Glencross - I think we can see Backlund's potential playing with these two. He can be a playmaker and Stemp and Glencross are capable goal scorers. Glencross is also willing to use his body.

4th line: Aliu/Bouma-Jones-Jackman --- i can see other team getting ticked off on this line. Something we've been lacking for a long time..the agitator. Imagine having the full line of agitators.

extra: Comeau & Bouma

I don't mind the re-signing of Stempniak. It is the re-signing of Blake Comeau that's bothering me. I know he signed for lesser money but if he can't produce and play stupid the way he played last season he was just taking spots that would have given to Bouma, Aliu, Byron or Nemisz.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Your blind hate for players is nauseating.

You give no leeway or no consideration to factors outside of pure stats, like the fact that Stempniak had just returned from injury where he wasn't even able to skate for much of his time on IR.

You don't need to waste your time, or mine replying because I won't be able to read your posts anymore.

I find this post funny because your blind love for players is nauseating.

It is obvious you are cool with mediocrity, and you always try to bend stats to prove your points without taking into account how they might actually handle themselves on the ice. Stajan, Bouwmeester, Stempniak, Jokinen, Comeau how different is that from ricardodw's posts?

People have differing opinions on CP, just because you think these guys are awesome, not every Flames fan does.

You remind me of a previous poster on here, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Did you previously post under a different name?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Any evidence to support this claim?

It's calculation.

There are 82 games in a year, split between 6 months or so (Half of October, half of April). That's about 13-14 games a month (a little overestimated).

With 82 games the 20 goal scorer, evenly spread, will score ~.25 goals/game, or about 1 goal/4 games.

Taking that in, we can expect the average 20 goal scorer to score about 3-4 times in an average month.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kirant

It's calculation.

There are 82 games in a year, split between 6 months or so (Half of October, half of April). That's about 13-14 games a month (a little overestimated).

With 82 games the 20 goal scorer, evenly spread, will score ~.25 goals/game, or about 1 goal/4 games.

Taking that in, we can expect the average 20 goal scorer to score about 3-4 times in an average month.

I can calculate an average, kirant - thanks.

What I was asking was for a demonstration of anyone actually scoring at a consistent, steady pace such as what you have just described.

20 goal scorers do not score a goal every 4th game, or 3 1/3 goals each month. They score in bunches when things are going well and they have droughts when they are not going well.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hagman was a far more established 20 goal scorer than Stempniak and he became non-streaky, in that he stop scoring at all and was consistently not scoring.

The same goes for Kotalik.

There is a very good evidence that Stempniak's streakiness has come to an end....

Did you seriously just argue that Hagman isn't streaky now because he doesn't score anymore?

That hardly disproves that Stempniak is typical in his consistency or lack thereof.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

March 2012

8 GP 1 goal 1 assist -3 18 SOG 1 PPG 1 PPA 2 PIM 16:03 toi/gm

I know ....extrapulate it.... he might have got 2 goals if he played 16 games.

Once the pressure was off and the Flames were out of the play offs he padded his stats with a goal and assist in the 2 meaningless games in April.

He was coming off injury.

The fact you live your life to wake up and come to this forum to crap all over Bouwmeester and Stempniak couldn't be more sad.

You do nothing but post the same thing over and over and over and over.

What value do you add to anything here?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I find this post funny because your blind love for players is nauseating.

It is obvious you are cool with mediocrity, and you always try to bend stats to prove your points without taking into account how they might actually handle themselves on the ice. Stajan, Bouwmeester, Stempniak, Jokinen, Comeau how different is that from ricardodw's posts?

People have differing opinions on CP, just because you think these guys are awesome, not every Flames fan does.

You remind me of a previous poster on here, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Did you previously post under a different name?

So saying Stempniak is a inconsistent 3rd liner that can put up 15 goals is "blind love"? Saying Stajan wasn't "given every opportunity as someone claimed is "blind love", saying Jokinen is better than the centers we currently have is "blind love", I don't even know what I have said about Comeau except he works hard, hits and could bounce back, but apparently that is "blind love" too and I think Bouwmeester is better than given credit for and I suppose that is blind love now too.

It is sad that your lack of objectivity has made it so anything other than blind disdain for a player is seen as blind love.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

So saying Stempniak is a inconsistent 3rd liner that can put up 15 goals is "blind love"? Saying Stajan wasn't "given every opportunity as someone claimed is "blind love", saying Jokinen is better than the centers we currently have is "blind love", I don't even know what I have said about Comeau except he works hard, hits and could bounce back, but apparently that is "blind love" too and I think Bouwmeester is better than given credit for and I suppose that is blind love now too.

It is sad that your lack of objectivity has made it so anything other than blind disdain for a player is seen as blind love.

we have never seen what Stempniak can do as a 3rd liner..... he has been in the top-6 for all of his career getting over 15 Minutes of Ice time/game along with PP time.

With the current Flame lineup he will not be in the top 6 and not getting as much ice time and virtually no PP time.

I can see that Jones and Comeau will get more ice-time than him in a defensive role.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by OzSome

if he can't produce and play stupid the way he played last season he was just taking spots that would have given to Bouma, Aliu, Byron or Nemisz.

Comeau is better then all of those guys.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Comeau is better then all of those guys.

... at being a bonehead and making stupid plays maybe.

No way is Comeau is better than them. Come training camp I see all those guys on an equal playing field.

[Canada 02]

I don't like Comeau either, but he's played ~300 games and scored ~140pts. Combined, Bouma, Aliu, Byron and Nemisz might not do that in their careers