Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Yes. It does matter PIM.

I'm not going to go through your posting history but I don't seem to remember you being one of "those posters" in the past. Since I don't remember you being one of them, I'll ask a question.

Do you ever read posts from 9/11 conspiracy theorists and think to yourself "My god, what kind of moron is this person? How stupid can one human being really be? This drivel they're spewing disrespects everyone involved and is a slap in the face of every single victim. How can someone say things so amazingly stupid that fly in the face of all logic and common sense?"

Just wondering if you've ever said anything like that to yourself when reading posts from a "truther" or one of "those posters". Because these last couple posts of yours? They rank right up there with them.

Yeah it was pretty crazy of a post but for some reason I just cant wrap my mind around why someone would even possibly do this.

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by Aleks

If you read in another article, since we're talking about them now, the individual was refused a membership to a gun range because if his suspicious behavior back on the 1st of July. Plus many of his "materials" were illegally obtained through his school or other online outlets.

So what if he was refused membership to a gun range. He could still go online and buy (legally) assualt rifles, shotguns, and pistols along with thousands of rounds of ammunition. That is kind of the point.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Yeah it was pretty crazy of a post but for some reason I just cant wrap my mind around why someone would even possibly do this.

I'm thinking that doing this crime probably made perfect sense in the mind of the shooter. But he's nuts and he had plenty of hardware.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The Unemployed Doctorate student bought anywhere between $15,000-20,000 worth of crap to do this. Where in the world did he get that money? The bomb making material, where did he learn all that at? the body armour? Then the hardest thing for me would be why did he just calmly give him self up to the police not only with out a fight but told those police officers that his house was booby trapped. Why would he do this?

I love conspiracy theories and am one of those nutbars that believes 9/11 was indeed an inside job, JFK was NOT killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, etc but even I think you're crazy for thinking this.

As for "why did he just calmly give himself up"...
Maybe he ran outta bullets?
Maybe he actually felt remorseful?
Second thoughts after seeing seeing his victims being eviscerated?
To many possibilities.

"How did he get so much money's worth of guns and ammo?"
Credit Cards? Line of Credit? The student loan that paid for his education? Again...too many possibilities

"How could he have possibly learned how to make the bombs?"
Google is a pretty fantastic resource for that one.

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but this one is too "Hilary Clinton is an alien from another planet and related to Queen Elizabeth" for me to believe.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Yeah it was pretty crazy of a post but for some reason I just cant wrap my mind around why someone would even possibly do this.

There usually is a "logical" (use that term loosely) reason for this ... I'm interested in seeing what his motivation is here. I actually don't think he "cracked" or went crazy or anything...

[Senator Clay Davis]

When you think about it, it seems like he obviously wanted to get caught alive. He was dressed in tons of armour and protection, and even though he obviously was planning this for a while, he chose the theater closest to a police station. I think he'll want to use his trial as a platform, just like the guy from Norway. These people aren't really that crazy, they know exactly what they're doing and are in control of their emotions.

[Red Slinger]

^ Yep. It looks like this guy has an agenda. Whether he's crazy or not I'm sure will be debated. If not legally "crazy" you have to be a little deranged to believe that shooting up a theatre of innocents is a solution to anything.

Regarding the gun issue... I don't think tighter gun controls would have prevented this. We could do the same thing in Canada with enough time, money and determination. Yes, it would be a little harder but this guy seemed determined to pull it off. That said, the more guns that are out there the more likely that someone will get shot with one.

But I think the bigger issue, which is at the root of this particular incident is the culture of violence that permeates many parts of American culture. There seems to be an underlying acceptance of violence as a means to resolve certain issues. This spans incidents like an argument leading to a shooting to a home owner killing an intruder to gang violence to an incident like this one. When did killing another human being become an option to solve a problem outside of war? I guess, to answer my own question, it's happened throughout the world in human history but in many "civilized" parts of modern society it's been largely reduced. But for some reason, not in many segments of the US subculture.

[edslunch]

@PIMking - you've established yourself as a reasonable person here over the years, but read in isolation your post about owning an AR-15 and speculating that this shooting may have been a government effort to build support for gun control would make me seriously question your state of mind and wonder how 'people like you' get their hands on semi-automatic weapons.

[QuadCityImages]

Despite all the early reports, I believe he was just wearing a tactical vest and not a bulletproof vest.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I also own an AR-15

Why on earth do you own such a weapon?

Originally Posted by PIMking

I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment, however just because one isn't a convicted felon, or been convicted of a domestic abuse doesn't mean that they're mentally capable of having a firearm

You do realise mental illness can happen in a flash,one minute a person is very sane and normal...next minute they snap!

Just last week a guy freaked out in a downtown parking lot and beat 2 guys with a friken wrench from the trunk of his car...had he had a gun in that trunk...

There are sooo many examples of "normal" people snaping and shooting people in the USA I'm shocked that you think a mental test would do a damn thing.

[JonDuke]

Those morons at Westrboro Church sure don't let any tragedy escape their desire to be the slime of the earth:
(I tried normal embedding but it wouldn't work for some reason.)
I cannot believe no one has taken out the people of this church yet to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECj1...howsearch%3D0#!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Those morons at Westrboro Church sure don't let any tragedy escape their desire to be the slime of the earth:
(I tried normal embedding but it wouldn't work for some reason.)
I cannot believe no one has taken out the people of this church yet to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECj1...howsearch%3D0#!

I believe it is because most people ignore them. It's difficult, but it is the most effective way to render them impotent.

[Northendzone]

This is such a sad story, I don't get why people need to inflict such pain on other people they don't even know.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this is one of the rare cases where the person that committed this act was captured alive. It will be interesting to see what kind of defense his lawyer puts up.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Those morons at Westrboro Church sure don't let any tragedy escape their desire to be the slime of the earth:
(I tried normal embedding but it wouldn't work for some reason.)
I cannot believe no one has taken out the people of this church yet to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECj1...howsearch%3D0#!

Yeah the best way is just to ignore them. You don't want to martyr them, or justify their cause.

The really good way would be to put in a new law where you could arrest then for doing things like this. I would think it would be simple. Its not free speech, its hate speech.

EDIT: Sorry I thought you were saying they were demonstrating again (as they have in the past). Yeah there not much you can do about the videos accept just not watch them. (which was my original plan). You know what they are going to say anyway. :/ If they get no hits and no one is paying attention to them, they'll go away eventually.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this is one of the rare cases where the person that committed this act was captured alive.

I think you are correct historically, but it seems like the recent trend is for these guys to get taken alive. Hopefully the fact that the shooters in Norway, Arizona and now Colorado didn't get killed doesn't encourage more people to commit acts like this.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Those morons at Westrboro Church sure don't let any tragedy escape their desire to be the slime of the earth:
(I tried normal embedding but it wouldn't work for some reason.)
I cannot believe no one has taken out the people of this church yet to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECj1...howsearch%3D0#!

Why couldn't the entire Westboro Baptist Church have been in that movie theatre that night? Would those that might have survived picketed the funerals of their fallen family?

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Why couldn't the entire Westboro Baptist Church have been in that movie theatre that night? Would those that might have survived picketed the funerals of their fallen family?

Tempting to imagine this, but probably not a good target. Chances are they're packin...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

I don't have a facepalm image big enough for this.

What? Body armour harms people? Since when?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by KTrain

My cousin lives in Colorado Springs and went to see TDKR last night. Two guys walked into the theatre with handguns on their hips. The theatre managers and on-duty police officers spoke with them and they left. My cousin was shook up by it. As were many of the people in audience. Not sure what these guys were thinking. </coolstorybro>

Pretty sure you can only opening carry in your vehicle, so it was probably a felony to openly carry a firearm, nevermind that the theatre was more than likely a no-carry zone.

People are generally stupid, but I can see why someone who is familiar with firearms would feel safer if they had one nearby considering what just happened.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Are these events actually increasing in frequency?

How does one actually measure that?

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I honestly don't know. But in reading this thread it certainly seems there is an epidemic of crazy people with weapons that need to be stopped.

Like I said many times before, homicide rates in the US are down to 1950 levels. People just choose to ignore that.

Gun violence is often the result of poverty and social conditions, not the result of gun control. But hey, lets focus on banning those firearms instead of fixing the real problems in the US!