2012 NFL Offseason Thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by moon

I can't believe all the hype and excitement over RG3. Haven't we seen this story before and hasn't it always worked out badly?

Thank god the Lions have Stafford and are nowhere near the 2nd pick this year.

RGIII has a good football IQ along with freakish altheticism....which is much different than the Vince Young types.

[moon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

RGIII has a good football IQ along with freakish altheticism....which is much different than the Vince Young types.

Fair enough.

I only saw a few of his games and he didn't appear to have much football IQ at all and was more of a chuck and pray guy after running around for a few minutes.

Just seems like the talk about him over Luck is ridiculous and seems like what happens to good players who get picked apart because they have been good so long that there is nothing left good to say so to say something different they start talking about the negatives. And then get all worked up when a new guy comes along that is flashy ignoring the holes in his game because it is exciting to talk about something other than how great Luck is.

[moon]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I'm thinking you might change your mind when you see what package a team puts together to move up to that #2 spot. Every team in the league would kill to be in one of the top 2 spots even if they already have a young franchise QB on their roster.

I guess we will see but I have a hard time believing that GB, Detroit, Atlanta would kill to get in the top 2 and replace their guys with RG3.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by moon

I guess we will see but I have a hard time believing that GB, Detroit, Atlanta would kill to get in the top 2 and replace their guys with RG3.

I think he meant that the team holding the 2 pick in this years draft can either trade it for a big return, or take a potential franchise QB. Obviously no team liked being that bad.

None of the teams you list are looking for a QB, and they obviously won't be trading up to that spot. But for the Rams who are willing to move back, they'll have teams interested in giving them good value for that pick. It's a good year to be picking 2nd in the draft, largely due to the presence of a clear cut #2 player to take.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think he meant that the team holding the 2 pick in this years draft can either trade it for a big return, or take a potential franchise QB. Obviously no team liked being that bad.

None of the teams you list are looking for a QB, and they obviously won't be trading up to that spot. But for the Rams who are willing to move back, they'll have teams interested in giving them good value for that pick. It's a good year to be picking 2nd in the draft, largely due to the presence of a clear cut #2 player to take.

Ah that makes a lot more sense then.

I agree that having the pick to trade would be great in terms of someone overpaying.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by moon

I can't believe all the hype and excitement over RG3. Haven't we seen this story before and hasn't it always worked out badly?

Thank god the Lions have Stafford and are nowhere near the 2nd pick this year.

No. We haven't. Who you trying to compare him too? The only QB that I can think of that compares to him in terms of skill set and character is Randall Cunningham and, no offense to Randall, I'm not sure he's nearly as smart as Griffin is.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by moon

Fair enough.

I only saw a few of his games and he didn't appear to have much football IQ at all and was more of a chuck and pray guy after running around for a few minutes.

Just seems like the talk about him over Luck is ridiculous and seems like what happens to good players who get picked apart because they have been good so long that there is nothing left good to say so to say something different they start talking about the negatives. And then get all worked up when a new guy comes along that is flashy ignoring the holes in his game because it is exciting to talk about something other than how great Luck is.

I haven't heard much talk about Luck NOT going first overall.

You do make a good point in your last paragraph. Luck has been IT for so long that it has become a bit of a negative.

However, I don't think that has inflated Griffin's worth at all. He's earned it.

As for his IQ...football and otherwise...he was offered by Stanford. He chose Baylor which isn't exactly a university with low academic standards. He graduated early. This kid will never be a problem off the field. Ever.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

No. We haven't. Who you trying to compare him too? The only QB that I can think of that compares to him in terms of skill set and character is Randall Cunningham and, no offense to Randall, I'm not sure he's nearly as smart as Griffin is.

Again in the games I saw I didn't see much football IQ. It may be the system he was playing or just the one seems like his worst game but it seems like he runs around keeping plays alive and chucks it up. I didn't see a guy who read defenses found the breakdown and hit guys with good passes. Again my opinion and far from a sure assessment but all I have to go on.

I was comparing him to similar guys who beat guys with physical skills and then get tripped up in the NFL with better, faster defenses.

I would say not exact comparables because that never works but Newton, Teblow, Young, Culpepper.

Perhaps with the upside of McNair who I never thought was that great.

Although Cunningham may have been a good comparable as well.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I haven't heard much talk about Luck NOT going first overall.

You do make a good point in your last paragraph. Luck has been IT for so long that it has become a bit of a negative.

However, I don't think that has inflated Griffin's worth at all. He's earned it.

As for his IQ...football and otherwise...he was offered by Stanford. He chose Baylor which isn't exactly a university with low academic standards. He graduated early. This kid will never be a problem off the field. Ever.

I have heard it on a lot of sports talk radio but I think all of the experts say Luck because that makes so much sense and picking otherwise would be foolish.

Again that may be part of the whole talking about Luck going number 1 is boring now so throwing out RG3 is controversial and gets listeners.

Not sure that off field smarts equals Football IQ all the time.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by moon

I can't believe all the hype and excitement over RG3. Haven't we seen this story before and hasn't it always worked out badly?

Thank god the Lions have Stafford and are nowhere near the 2nd pick this year.

Yes, but RG3 appears to actually have a brain in his head.

[PeteLFan]

Rams will make out like bandits after reading this pick. Lots of holes on the roster, getting 2 1st round picks and more picks will be massive.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Rams will make out like bandits after reading this pick. Lots of holes on the roster, getting 2 1st round picks and more picks will be massive.

I'm not sure, taking Kalil may have been the better move. Bradford is good but if he's never vertical that's a problem.

[PeteLFan]

No guarantee with these linemen. Jason smith was supposed to be the great one, instead the #2 overall pick is playing right tackle.

There are still some good tackles in the draft, Justin Blackmon as well. Too many holes.

[Cheese]

5 guys who stood out at combine...a Patriots perspective.

http://www.patsfans.com/blogs/derek/...who-stood-out/

Biggest Surprise: Dontari Poe, DL, Memphis
To me, Poe was literally, the biggest surprise. At just under 6’5 and 346 pounds, Poe is an absolute monster. He is not just a 3-4 nose tackle, Poe is a versatile lineman who could be an absolute beast. The Memphis product is an athlete too. He displayed quick feet for his size in drills and he ran a 4.98 40-yard dash to back it up.

[troutman]

Cleveland Browns have had preliminary talks with the Rams about trading up to No. 2 for Griffin III
http/www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/02/cleveland_browns_have_had_prel.html

The Browns have the fourth and 22nd picks in the first round, and Browns coach Pat Shurmur said at the NFL Combine that the Browns are up for anything with the picks, including a move up to No. 2.

The other two teams in the top 10 that have made initial inquiries are the Redskins at No. 6 and Dolphins at No. 8.

The Redskins, believed to be the early frontrunners, are prepared to surrender two No. 1s -- their No. 6 this year and next year's first-rounder -- along with several other early- to mid-round picks, Mike Jones of the Washington Post reported Tuesday.

The Rams have also had informal chats with several teams out the top 10. Possible suitors could be the Chiefs at No. 11 and Seahawks at No. 12. Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel gushed about Griffin on Saturday, saying he's the kind of player "you go up to get."

Most Browns fans think CLE would have to give up too much to get Luck or RGIII:

http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports..._griffi_1.html

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

5 guys who stood out at combine...a Patriots perspective.

http://www.patsfans.com/blogs/derek/...who-stood-out/

Biggest Surprise: Dontari Poe, DL, Memphis
To me, Poe was literally, the biggest surprise. At just under 6’5 and 346 pounds, Poe is an absolute monster. He is not just a 3-4 nose tackle, Poe is a versatile lineman who could be an absolute beast. The Memphis product is an athlete too. He displayed quick feet for his size in drills and he ran a 4.98 40-yard dash to back it up.

He had something like 41 reps at 225 pounds in the bench press. IMO, this guy isn't getting past the Panthers at 9, and teams might be willing to move up to get him. Guys with that type of size, speed, and explosiveness are what you build your D line with. I'd love to see the Chiefs get this guy and use him the same way the Patriots use Wilfork.

[Sylvanfan]

Looks like the Vikings could be getting their new Stadium to replace the Metrodome, so you likely can take them off the list of teams going to LA.

New_Vikings_Stadium

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Gov. Mark Dayton, political leaders and the Minnesota Vikings unveiled a proposal Thursday to build a $975 million stadium for the team in downtown Minneapolis and called for quick action on the plan before the Legislature adjourns this spring.
The plan would put the new building nearly on top of the current Metrodome site. It calls for $398 million from the state, $150 million from the city and $427 million from the Vikings for upfront construction costs.
The state's share would come from an expansion of pulltab gambling games to add an electronic version, while Minneapolis' share would come from redirecting existing convention center and hospitality taxes.

Similarly the Rams turned down a proposal from the St.Louis Convention Center committee or some organization along those lines for renovations to the Edward Jones Dome. I heard that Stan Kroenke has an agreement where if the stadium isn't in the top 25% in the league, than he can move the team after 2014. Consider that it has no chance against the fancy new stadiums like the Jerry Dome, Met Life, University of Phoenix, and Lucas Oil...that existing one in St.Louis has to be better than all but 4 of the 28 other ones. Off the top of my head I can think of QWest Field, Lincoln Financial, Fed Ex Field, Ivesco at Mile High, Heinz Field, Cleveland Browns Stadium, and M&T Bank Stadium as being newer, and likely better revenue generators. He's also one of the finalists to get the Dodgers, and has a home in Southern Cal. Sounding like the Rams might just be heading back to Los Angeles.

[Lionel Steel]

Looking better and better that Kalil falls to the Vikings at #3.


I was all about draft a WR until I started looking up Kalil, he's an absolute monster who could anchor the Vikes offensive line for a long time. If he's there, they absolutely have to take him.

Not that they should forget about their glaring need at WR. This team has so many holes to fill.

[Lionel Steel]

Double post, my bad.

[PeteLFan]

Robert gallery was a monster and sure thing too.