Don't Bully Fat Kids

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Interesting. All the newspapers in Australia (in particular the Daily Telegraph) say each got 4.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226022076411

http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/15/austra...ol-suspension/

Guess it's a tossup as to which you listen to. I hope the skinny kid did get 21.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

i watched it again and while i hate bully's and agree the FK has to stand up, i hated seeing the SK getting slammed like that.

cringe worthy. you guys who cheer that on are frikkin barbarians. life is cheap for you i guess.

Or maybe you've never been the victim of chronic psychological bullying. I was for the first 16 years of my life, and I can tell you that when you are at a breaking point like that, there is nothing in the world that you would rather feel than to show the person the same pain they put you through.
Is it essentially right? Probably not. Is it justice that an adult can not fix? Yes, absolutely.
And just before I get accused of anything, I'm 21, 5'10, 190 pounds and work out 5 days a week and have not been in a fight since I was 12 years old.

People don't wake up and change unless they have a major shock

[Cain]

I am honestly astounded that there is outcry to this. Awesome job on the big guy's part in my opinion. He took the initial onslaught, he clearly did not want to fight or be violent...but the little kid was relentless and was not going to stop. So the bigger kid ended it in one move. I will now call him Ender.

I don't like to see kids get hurt, but honestly, this kid picked up the littler one and threw him down on the ground. There is potential for the kid to get hurt here but 1. the little kid was the instigator here and 2. kids have worse accidents routinely. Additionally, the bigger kid likely just had a huge rush of adrenaline and instinct kicked in. He didn't push it after he clearly won, he just walked away. Model performance really.

I was taught by my father (mother didn't ever believe in violence, I truly think that male bullying is much different than female and the same principles don't apply) to punch the aggressor as hard as I could right in the nose. The fight stops quickly when they realize that they are bleeding, and hey, the nose is pretty delicate for that kinda thing.

Bottom line for me: The big kid was defending himself, he might have overdone it very slightly but in the heat of the moment it is hard to get too worked up about that. He walked away when it was over. If he were my kid, he'd get a solid slap on the back and told it was a job well done.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Cain

I truly think that male bullying is much different than female and the same principles don't apply

ELAINE: Boys are sick.

JERRY: Well what do girls do ?

ELAINE: We just tease some one 'til they develop an eating disorder.

[The Yen Man]

I think people who argue that the bigger kid used excessive force need to realize that it's really only a matter of seconds. At that point, the bigger kid wasn't thinking to kill the sk when he grabbed him. He threw him to the ground and then stepped back. Had he started kicking him afterwards, then we can debate whether he used too much force. As is, I don't think the bigger kid did anything wrong, TBH.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

We can sit here as adults and say the kid didn't need to use so much force but really the kid is still a kid.

He probably has no idea how strong he is and he probably had no clue the type of damage he could do to the little kid.

The reason the big kid is being bullied is because he has probably never used his strength before and had no idea how strong he actually is. Also the fact that the slam was so awkward looking and dangerous was because he had no idea how to fight back.

It is unreasonable to sit here after the fact and say that the big kid should not have used such force due to the aforementioned reasons and especially since when in the heat of a confrontation you aren't really thinking, he had been attacked and clearly snapped after initially trying to stay calm.

I say good on the kid for standing up for himself and fighting back against what was clearly a group of kids picking on him and trying to show off.

and if you read my first post in the thread, i said i felt sympathy for the parents:

1) seeing their kid being a bully
2) watching their kid get slammed neck first into concrete

no where did i say the FK shouldnt stand up for himself or even did anything wrong. he did what he did out of instinct.

still, im not cheering that a 13 year old was body slammed like that.

[IliketoPuck]

Its not so much that people are cheering for him as they are doing this:

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Or maybe you've never been the victim of chronic psychological bullying. I was for the first 16 years of my life, and I can tell you that when you are at a breaking point like that, there is nothing in the world that you would rather feel than to show the person the same pain they put you through.
Is it essentially right? Probably not. Is it justice that an adult can not fix? Yes, absolutely.
And just before I get accused of anything, I'm 21, 5'10, 190 pounds and work out 5 days a week and have not been in a fight since I was 12 years old.

People don't wake up and change unless they have a major shock

and, how does that change when i said i cringed "for his parents".

FK did what he had to do and isnt in the wrong. im glad for him though that the SK didnt have any real damage.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Look, my kid just turned 14 and he's about 6'4 and 205 pounds, not skinny but not fat. He's just a big kid. He's never been picked on or messed with.

I always tell my 'big kid' that if someone is being a jerk to you, consider the source because I know for a fact that he WOULD hurt a smaller kid with his football/basketball training. Looks like that big kid has been around the block a time or two as well. He could have killed the scrawny little puke with that maneuver.

If that were my kid getting picked on I would be heartbroken, but if my kid dropped/hit/slammed a much smaller kid for any reason, I'd be equally upset. No one ever said 'Don't hurt him, he's so much bigger than you.'

Maybe the little twerp deserved it, but more than likely the big kid will be the one who gets in trouble. I'm not saying it's right, just saying that sometimes, things just aren't fair. Violence never solves anything.

I know a family who's 26 year old son was bullied for all his primary school years. In grade 11 a psychiatrist told them to pull their son out of school because of the effects it was having on thier son. He was petrified of those who bullied him and he also suffered from severe anxiety attacks. All because the school would do eff all about the bullies!

In grade 10 his mother went to the school to talk to the bullies about what they were doing. They all laughed in her face. She also asked to have her son transfered to another school and was given the response that other schools have the same problem!

His older brother confronted a few of the bullies a few months afte his younger brother was pulled out of school and beat the crap out of them. Violence may not solve everything but in this case I had no problems with what his brother did.

I suffered a similar afte in my school years. I turned the cheek and considered the source but that didn't do me a lot of good. What i should have done is beat the living tar out of those who bullied me. Chances are the bullying would have ended rather quickly.

[Bagor]

Fat kid taught scrawny kid a valuable life lesson in that sometimes there are serious consequences to your actions.

I applaud fat kid for administering this free life lesson.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think people who argue that the bigger kid used excessive force need to realize that it's really only a matter of seconds. At that point, the bigger kid wasn't thinking to kill the sk when he grabbed him. He threw him to the ground and then stepped back. Had he started kicking him afterwards, then we can debate whether he used too much force. As is, I don't think the bigger kid did anything wrong, TBH.

That's the way I saw it also. I suspect the fat kid had taken a lot of abuse over time and had finally reached a point where he snapped and said to himself, enough is enough! He reacted like many others would have when pushed far enough. Slamming someone onto the concrete may not have been the best thing but I highly doubt he gave thought to what he was going to do.

Also the 21 day suspension of the little puke is a joke! He should have been expelled and told to fond another school.

[CaptainCrunch]

I give the bullied kid a lot of credit, if it was me, after I slammed the little puke, I would have hit him with the people's elbow.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I just get the feeling reading this thread that those that were bullied have an entirely different viewpoint on how to react to bullying.

Originally Posted by Rathji

I think this sums it up.

and i get the feeling that those of you who arent understanding why I cringed at seeing that kid slammed into the concrete, arent parents.

[SeoulFire]

It is also kind of funny that "FK" or "fat kid is being" used as that is probably one of the terms of abuse he had previously endured.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

and i get the feeling that those of you who arent understanding why I cringed at seeing that kid slammed into the concrete, arent parents.

I'm no parent but I cringed initially. Now that I know there were no serious injuries involved I look at the incident pretty much like most people, a bully getting his comeuppance. (and getting off lucky, physically anyway) Of course, the little puke will be known forever for this incident, I laugh when I think of this guy getting chided for this when he's drinking with his mates in his 40s. He'll never get to live this down, known forever as a punk moron. I cringed because he came within a hair of getting killed or paralyzed, which would have sucked for him but sucked even more for his reluctant target.

[wooohooo]

I cringed too. I was kind of hoping for some huge slam of that sort. I grew up never really getting bullied so I don't know the psychological effects of bullying but I would think it's not easy. The SK needs to learn consequences. You try to pick a fight, you better as hell know how to fight. Better to learn these consequences at a young age rather than when his opponents are old enough to kill. I've seen a very nasty bar fights where paramedics had to be called in and were doing CPR on a guy.

[BigBrodieFan]

This kid had every right to defend himself.

He could have pushed the kid away, kicked the kid, punched him back, bent his arm, shoved him on his butt. Instead he (150lbs) picked the kid (80lbs) up and dropped him like a wrestler, on concrete.

There is a big difference between defending yourself and taking self defense way too far. This kid is probably much too young and too inexperienced, and has probably been treated too poorly to know the difference.

Kids are cruel, horrible and mean. Thankfully they have adults to supervise them from killing each other.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

and i get the feeling that those of you who arent understanding why I cringed at seeing that kid slammed into the concrete, arent parents.

I am a parent of 2 kids.

If my son was the SK, and picking on the FK, I would be far more upset at my son at the beginning of the video rather than I would be when the other kid fought back and he got slammed.

Hands down, no questions asked. In fact, him getting hurt might be the only thing saving his rear when he got home.

Of course, I am assuming that any parent worth their salt would know their kid was basically alright before they had a chance to watch the video.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I am a parent of 2 kids.

If my son was the SK, and picking on the FK, I would be far more upset at my son at the beginning of the video rather than I would be when the other kid fought back and he got slammed.

Hands down, no questions asked. In fact, him getting hurt might be the only thing saving his rear when he got home.

Of course, I am assuming that any parent worth their salt would know their kid was basically alright before they had a chance to watch the video.

I am the parent of two kids. If my kid was the one who reciprocated on the little kid by dangerously slamming him down, he'd be in huge trouble. I would hope to think that my kid would walk away from the taunting and know that if he wanted to, he could really hurt someone in that situation.

I don't think the big kid in the video had any such knowledge.

I get your point entirely.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

This kid had every right to defend himself.

He could have pushed the kid away, kicked the kid, punched him back, bent his arm, shoved him on his butt. Instead he (150lbs) picked the kid (80lbs) up and dropped him like a wrestler, on concrete.

There is a big difference between defending yourself and taking self defense way too far. This kid is probably much too young and too inexperienced, and has probably been treated too poorly to know the difference.

Kids are cruel, horrible and mean. Thankfully they have adults to supervise them from killing each other.

Hindsight it is easy to say he should have just punched him once and walked away. He starts out by trying to grab the kid to stop the punches, they wrestle for a bit and he gets the little kid in a bad place. The rage that probably overwhelmed him during those moments probably also contributed.

Easy to nitpick after the fact. For anyone who has been in a fight, unless you are a trained fighter it is not uncommon for you to just 100% let instinct take over. A measured and appropriate response will not really be on the mind of the bullying victim, and nor should they have to shoulder all of the responsibility. Nobody blames a dog that bites someone when it is being subjected to torture. The smaller kid picked on a kid who had had enough and reaped the consequences. Nobody is permanently hurt physically after the fact, and a lesson is learned (hopefully).

Once you go down the road of what could have happened, life becomes much too scary to even contemplate on a day to day basis.