That's alot of dope!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The plant is often referred to as 'weed' for a reason.

I believe Marijuana is notoriously difficult to grow properly. Mushrooms on the other hand are quite easy. Or so I hear.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The plant is often referred to as 'weed' for a reason.

It still would have been pretty crappy weed. The amount of time the plants require under light and heat during each of its stages is pretty intense, especially when trying to force budding. I think that would be tough in southern alberta's ever changing climate.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jar_e

It still would have been pretty crappy weed. The amount of time the plants require under light and heat during each of its stages is pretty intense, especially when trying to force budding. I think that would be tough in southern alberta's ever changing climate.

With the dry heat they've had down Drumheller lately?

All the plant material has value as well.

The sun burns brighter than any lightbulb.

[Ford Prefect]

Damn ... and I was almost ready to ship it to market. It's hard to make an illicit living any more.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

With the dry heat they've had down Drumheller lately?

All the plant material has value as well.

The sun burns brighter than any lightbulb.

I'm not sure of the weather in Drumheller but I'd just think it would be a whole lot easier to grow weed in as much as a controlled environment as possible instead of leaving it up to the weather. Though, on the other side of the coin, you don't need to have all the electrical bypasses and the water systems and such.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Damn ... and I was almost ready to ship it to market. It's hard to make an illicit living any more.

Do I get my money back?

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Do I get my money back?

Sorry, no can do. I could be incurring some hefty legal expenses soon.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Sorry, no can do. I could be incurring some hefty legal expenses soon.

troutman, Attorney at Law.

However, seeing as how you're in a bit of a quandry, might I suggest VladTheImpaler?

[Ford Prefect]

Nah, I'll just represent myself. What can do wrong?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I'm not sure of the weather in Drumheller but I'd just think it would be a whole lot easier to grow weed in as much as a controlled environment as possible instead of leaving it up to the weather. Though, on the other side of the coin, you don't need to have all the electrical bypasses and the water systems and such.

A lot of North America's weed supply is grown outdoors in BC. My guess is most of Alberta would be way to dry though.

[604flames]

RCMP busted a 23,000 plant grow-op in Lillooet today..

[SilverGS]

So many growops these days. Found out the house down the street from me was apparently a small time growop. Someone just moved in once again recently though so I am guessing it wasn't a huge operation.

[Pinner]

I'm predicting the value to be........$27,600,000

Can you imagine how happy all the critters in that forest have been this summer ? LoL

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by 604flames

RCMP busted a 23,000 plant grow-op in Lillooet today..

Yikes! If this keeps up prices are going to go through the roof!

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I was a chronic for 9 years (4-5 joints a day) until a month ago when I stopped altogether, so do you mind explaining why I couldn't eat or sleep and had random cold-sweats for a week and a half on top of the feeling of being on the edge of a psychosis?

No negative health implications is hyperbole.

Although I do agree with you that legalizing it and making money is better than spending money on cops chasing it.

Sorry, I'm seriously not picking on you, its just I made it to this thread late and your posts are the ones standing out.

There very much is a dependency problem. The thing is that the real withdraw doesn't start until after a few days of going without (for chronics) so the concentration in the blood stream dips to the lowest point its been, well, ever since taking up the habit. THEN...

EDIT: Holy crap, atr. I read the whole thread and I could have quoted you a few more times at least! So I was just wondering...how much weed do you smoke and do you smoke everyday? You sound how I've been until very recently. I had no idea how insidious the stuff was until I stopped...or maybe I did and didn't want to admit it to myself.

Sorry I should have jumped in here earlier to address this- I missed it. For the record, I smoke approximately 3 joints a week probably.

Most of what I was trying to say was in regards to when marijuana is ingested through non-smoking methods. That's where I was getting the "zero health implications" jazz.

I should have been more careful in my wording. What I was trying to say was that using a vaporizer has zero of the health implications that come from smoking tobacco.

Originally Posted by www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizers.html

Like tobacco, marijuana smoke contains toxins that are known to be hazardous to the respiratory system. Among them are the highly carcinogenic polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, a prime suspect in cigarette-related cancers. These toxins are essentially a byproduct of combustion, separate from the pharmaceutically active components of marijuana, known as cannabinoids, which include THC. Although there is no proof that marijuana smoking causes cancer, chronic pot smokers have been shown to suffer an elevated risk of bronchitis and respiratory infections. Respiratory disease due to smoking may therefore rightly be regarded as the primary physiological hazard of marijuana.

Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature of 180 - 200° C (356° - 392° F), just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced. At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke

As far as depedency issues :

Originally Posted by WikiAnswers

The active ingredient in Cannibis sativa is THC (delta 1 tetrahydrocannibinol). THC is active in very low dosages. Therapeutic THC is typically delivered 5mg tid (three times a day). As addiction in the sense I mean it is a gross process, tiny dosages typically don't generate the large-scale physiological changes a true addiction needs to get revved up (neurological yes; physio no). So most people, scientists and street-users, think of marijuana as non-addictive. A recent study at Columbia University offers potentially contradictory evidence, but it's still only one study and not accepted as universal fact at this time. As such, if you say THC is not clinically addictive, most of the world will agree with you.
Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

While you are correct that Marijuana can be addictive, it is in the same realm of Alcohol, not tobacco. Perhaps you are in the 10% that has the addictive response?

Originally Posted by www.addictionsandrecovery.org/marijuana.htm

Marijuana is as addictive as alcohol. Approximately 10% of people who smoke marijuana will get addicted to it. That means 90% of people can use it recreationally. But for the other 10%, marijuana is not a harmless herb.

So I actually have to agree with much of what you said, but I also beleive that most of what I've said is correct too, i probably failed to continue to reference my earlier established contexts though.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by alltherage

While you are correct that Marijuana can be addictive, it is in the same realm of Alcohol, not tobacco. Perhaps you are in the 10% that has the addictive response?

Most definately I have an addictive personality for sure. Just ask my friends about my music habit! Man its expensive, but I seriously can't help myself.

[MissTeeks]

Pfft, house grow ops. In my town they do it in underground bunkers under their garages where they keep their helicopters they use for trafficking it to the States in exchange for coke.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Pol...549/story.html

http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?si...463&q=Sicamous

The video in the second link is crazy!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Potty

That's a joke, right?

Look at the costs involved with growing weed illegally here. You buy or rent a house, convert it for growing with large-scale electrical modifications and hydroponic equipment for about 500 square feet of actual crops. And you'll probably get busted within a year or two, in which time you pay to set up all over again. And these guys still make MASSIVE profits.

Now imagine the government set up a large field, put up a security fence around it with a few security guards and grew acres and acres of pot. They could do it infinitely cheaper than the black market. Each 500 square foot section would cost pennies compared to the costs of setting up a grow-op illegally. Even if they did it indoors, it would still be infinitely cheaper if it was done on a large scale.

Can you grow cucumbers in your basement cheaper than the big greenhouses can? Of course not.

Let me be more clear.

When I asked why someone would buy legalized, taxed weed if you could grow your own, I wasn't talking about some large scale growing operation.

Of course you woud save money by growing your own personal supply ...if it was legal to do so of course.

It is much easier to grow one plant in your yard, you can water as necessary and even provide some supplementary light for it to grow properly.

This is opposed to trying to make your own beer, or cigarettes. You could try and grow a tobacco plant on your yard, but the cigarette has much more than just tobacco leaves, therefore harder to realistically replicate.

[mikey_the_redneck]

BTW I watched a great documentary about weed called "The Union - the business behind getting high"(free on youtube), and it was quite interesting.

I especially liked the history about hemp being the #1 crop in the world at one point, to everything it was used for, to how it was villified and prohibited, to the prohibition controversy today.

[ShaolinFlame]

Decided to stop for a while yesterday. I take one hoots from the bong most of my day (packing full bowls tastes gross, always fresh tasting hoots FTW). Approximately 1.5 - 2 G per day minus what gets thrown in my face from roommates. Been consistent for about 6 years now every day. In fact I cannot remember the last day I didn't (besides yesterday), minus vacations to 'Merica. I guess I am better now considering that in the day I smoked 4-5 blunts a day (~1g pompoms).

So far so good, nice sleep last night. Not looking so forward to the next few days, although I may toke on Fridays/Saturdays from now on. Sick of feeling groggy in the mornings for work mostly. I quit cig's cold turkey 3 months ago after about 6 years, and found that very easy. I figure if I could manage that I could manage this. I do have a family history of addiction so it kind of worries me it will be difficult. At the same time alcoholism is a hell of a lot worse than poking smot any day of the week .

I love it very much, but it has gotten to the point where I am self medicating instead of just enjoying getting baked. Therefore I feel it's best to get over my crap before continuing to be a stoner. It will be difficult though as I am surrounded by large amounts of green. But hey, I said no to a blunt today, so maybe I have a chance after all!


Best Regards,
'2 Days and Counting Guy'