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Old 06-17-2010, 02:36 PM   #1461
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I sadly still think France go through, Mexico/Uruguay will probly play for the draw but Mexico may push a bit to try and get a win and avoid Argentina

all France would need to do is win by 2 (if Mexico lose) or 3 (if Uruguay lose) and they are through if the other game doesn't draw
How does the tiebreaker work if Mexico and France tie for 4 points and the same GD? Do they take head-to-head into account at that point?
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:37 PM   #1462
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How does the tiebreaker work if Mexico and France tie for 4 points and the same GD? Do they take head-to-head into account at that point?
GD than GF than head-to-head I think.
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:37 PM   #1463
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A Mex-Uru draw guarantees that both those two teams get through. France needs someone to win.
I think we've seen Mexico collaborate with another team before to pass the ball around the center of the field to guarantee the tie.

I remember the English commentator saying he "hated every minute of it".

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Old 06-17-2010, 02:38 PM   #1464
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90+2 min: Peep! Peep! Peep! It's all over - Mexico have won a throoughly deserved victory. to have any chance of getting out Group A, France will need to beat South Africa well and hope Uruguay and Mexico don't draw. If they play on that night like they did otnight, the draw won't matter because they've no chance of beating South Africa. Their manager is an idiot and almost to a man, their players are a disgrace to their country.
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I think we've seem Mexico collaborate with another team before to pass the ball around the center of the field to guarantee the tie.
And face Argentina? I don't think so this time.
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:39 PM   #1466
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France lost to China today. Man, I'm really thinking about putting $50 on Uruguay to take that group.
I really need to listen to myself more often.
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:40 PM   #1467
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I sadly still think France go through, Mexico/Uruguay will probly play for the draw but Mexico may push a bit to try and get a win and avoid Argentina

all France would need to do is win by 2 (if Mexico lose) or 3 (if Uruguay lose) and they are through if the other game doesn't draw

I believe that's wrong. Standings at the moment:
W-T-L PTS GF GA DIFFERENCE
Uruguay 1-1-0 4 3 0 +3
Mexico 1-1-0 4 3 1 +2
France 0-1-1 1 0 2 -2

So if Mexico loses by 1, then their goal difference would be +1. France would need to win by FOUR to get to +2, because if they get to +1, Mexico has the head to head tiebreaker.
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:40 PM   #1468
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How does the tiebreaker work if Mexico and France tie for 4 points and the same GD? Do they take head-to-head into account at that point?

Goal Difference and then h2h....not sure what is after that...perhaps GF.
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:46 PM   #1469
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In the 2002 world cup, defending champions France managed to collect one measly point (a draw with Uruguay no less) and failed to score a single goal. Does the history repeat itself?
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I really need to listen to myself more often.

what was the payout?
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:50 PM   #1471
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I think we've seem Mexico collaborate with another team before to pass the ball around the center of the field to guarantee the tie.
Really, how much do you think Mexico and Uruguay are really going to care about winning? Not much. I can easily see a 0-0 draw in that one.

If Uruguay beats mexico, France advances with a win if the combined goal differential in the two final matches is 5 (eg Mexico loses by 2, and France wins by 3) if Mexico beats Uruguay, the combined goal differential would have to be 6.

You can subtract one (and only 1) from those numbers if it ends up that France has scored more goals then the team who loses. So, if France wins 2-0, and Uruguay wins 2-0, it would go to a random draw. If Uruguay wins 3-0, and France wins 1-0, Mexico still advances, but if France wins 3-2, France would advance.

Whatever happens, France needs to score at least 3 goals to guarantee an advance, assuming the other game isn't a huge blowout by one team.
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I believe that's wrong. Standings at the moment:
W-T-L PTS GF GA DIFFERENCE
Uruguay 1-1-0 4 3 0 +3
Mexico 1-1-0 4 3 1 +2
France 0-1-1 1 0 2 -2

So if Mexico loses by 1, then their goal difference would be +1. France would need to win by FOUR to get to +2, because if they get to +1, Mexico has the head to head tiebreaker.
Goals for is the second tiebreaker before head to head. SO if Mexico loses 1-0, France would advance with a 3 goal victory. If Mexico loses 2-1, France would need to win by 4 to guarantee an advancement.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_615832.html

Sara Carbonero, a beautiful sideline reporter and girlfriend of Spanish goalkeeper Iker Casillas, is being blamed by some fans for Spain's shocking World Cup loss to Switzerland on Wednesday.

The Guardian reports that the gorgeous sportscaster is accused of distracting her boyfriend by being so close to the field before and during the crucial match. Casillas allowed the game's only goal, and Spanish fans are worried that Carbonero could be to blame.


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Old 06-17-2010, 02:55 PM   #1474
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Really, how much do you think Mexico and Uruguay are really going to care about winning? Not much. I can easily see a 0-0 draw in that one.

If Uruguay beats mexico, France advances with a win if the combined goal differential in the two final matches is 5 (eg Mexico loses by 2, and France wins by 3) if Mexico beats Uruguay, the combined goal differential would have to be 6.

You can subtract one (and only 1) from those numbers if it ends up that France has scored more goals then the team who loses. So, if France wins 2-0, and Uruguay wins 2-0, it would go to a random draw. If Uruguay wins 3-0, and France wins 1-0, Mexico still advances, but if France wins 3-2, France would advance.

Whatever happens, France needs to score at least 3 goals to guarantee an advance, assuming the other game isn't a huge blowout by one team.

1. Argentina

2. You're forgetting head-to-head. If France wins 2-0 and Uruguay wins 2-0, Mexico would advance by head-to-head
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And face Argentina? I don't think so this time.
A guaranteed spot in the second round is nothing to sneeze at. Take ARG to penalties, and anything can happen.
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I believe that's wrong. Standings at the moment:
W-T-L PTS GF GA DIFFERENCE
Uruguay 1-1-0 4 3 0 +3
Mexico 1-1-0 4 3 1 +2
France 0-1-1 1 0 2 -2

So if Mexico loses by 1, then their goal difference would be +1. France would need to win by FOUR to get to +2, because if they get to +1, Mexico has the head to head tiebreaker.
Ya I think you are right, I was off by a goal

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If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
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Mexico would match up very well with a slow defensive Argentinean side
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1. Argentina

2. You're forgetting head-to-head. If France wins 2-0 and Uruguay wins 2-0, Mexico would advance by head-to-head

The way the French are playing, they're not gonna score 1 goal, let alone 3+.
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France's scoring is screwed when they don't allow Henry to use his hands.
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