GDT: USA vs. Finland (1pm)

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by JayP

So let's this straight:

Luongo undeniably was consistently great last year. He has a bad game in an important situation. Thus, he's a loser.

Kipper is undeniably consistently great this year. He has a bad game in an important situation. It's Finland's fault and he's still the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Convenient.

I love sliced bread!!

[Infamous1]

Maybe now people on here will lay off on Luongo......naw never happen.

Bad games happen to everyone. Yes even in their most important games of the year such as this one for Kipper and Game 6 last year for Luongo.

It'll be interesting to hear from Kipper after this one.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by JayP

The same logic doesn't apply to Luongo apparently.

That is because you must realize what logic you are applying.

Last year, Kipper had more wins, therefore wins were a more important factor when evaluating his goaltending. SV% and GAA were not applicable because the team in front was terrible. Last year Luongo was lucky enough to beat Kipper in SV% and GAA, but had less wins. therefore he was an inferior goaltender.

This year Kipper has better SV% and GAA numbers than Luongo. That is the criteria this year. Wins are not as important this year, as Kipper has suffered from a poor team in front of him. Again it is Luongo's bad luck that he has not played at a consistently high level in the stats that matter this year, GAA and SV%. Please pay attention to what stats and logic matter and how they correlate with the calendar.

[The Goon]

Originally Posted by Infamous1

It'll be interesting to hear from Kipper after this one.

Man, Mike Richards better not call and wake Miikka up again - he will be pissed!

[Igottago]

Finns should forget it and focus on the bronze. They could still take home a medal. If they get the bronze that's still a pretty good result for them all things considered.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by JayP

What's getting old? The fact that I'm not a massive homer that can't admit Kipper played a bad game and that Luongo's career isn't defined by an equally bad game?

When did I say that? Kiprusoff has done a lot more in his career than Luongo in a shorter time span so Kiprusoff has a lot less to prove. Luongo is still waiting to win that defining game of his career. Luongo has been the reason the Canucks have been booted from the playoffs the last two times, missed the playoffs because of him in another. When you look at Kiprusoff he is the only reason the last three playoffs the series have gone 6-7 instead of 4.

Luongo could change all that with a Gold medal win but without a Gold (or Silver with a good performance) he hasn't done anything in his career. Luongo is a top goaltender in the NHL, just hasn't proved it outside a few playoff births.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

That is because you must realize what logic you are applying.

Last year, Kipper had more wins, therefore wins were a more important factor when evaluating his goaltending. SV% and GAA were not applicable because the team in front was terrible. Last year Luongo was lucky enough to beat Kipper in SV% and GAA, but had less wins. therefore he was an inferior goaltender.

This year Kipper has better SV% and GAA numbers than Luongo. That is the criteria this year. Wins are not as important this year, as Kipper has suffered from a poor team in front of him. Again it is Luongo's bad luck that he has not played at a consistently high level in the stats that matter this year, GAA and SV%. Please pay attention to what stats and logic matter and how they correlate with the calendar.

Post of the year.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by JayP

So let's this straight:

Luongo undeniably was consistently great last year. He has a bad game in an important situation. Thus, he's a loser.

Kipper is undeniably consistently great this year. He has a bad game in an important situation. It's Finland's fault and he's still the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Convenient.

Please JP have you ever read an OTT thread? Reason and any depth to arguments get thrown out the windows when it comes to Canuck talk.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by JayP

So let's this straight:

Luongo undeniably was consistently great last year. He has a bad game in an important situation. Thus, he's a loser.

Kipper is undeniably consistently great this year. He has a bad game in an important situation. It's Finland's fault and he's still the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Convenient.

Kipper has proven he can win some big games on more then one occasion and has also looked bad in some big games, but never has he ever looked bad in a big game when the team in front of him has looked awesome...so there is some correlation.

I have never seen a big game where Luongo has looked good. Maybe that is today, first time for everything.

[-TC-]

i just realized what a massive dick ferraro is

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by JayP

So let's this straight:

Luongo undeniably was consistently great last year. He has a bad game in an important situation. Thus, he's a loser.

Kipper is undeniably consistently great this year. He has a bad game in an important situation. It's Finland's fault and he's still the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Convenient.

What the hell is your point? This is a Flames board. The Canucks are our biggest rival. I don't think anyone believed Luongo actually would suck for his entire career, but 7uongo was a wicked internet joke.

Sports is all about giving your rivals a hard time. Get over it.

[Meers]

Ouch! What a completely embarassing performance for the entire Finnish team.

I'm actually quite shocked.

Although they may not be the most skilled team in the world, in the past the Finns have always put in the effort.

Let's hope Team Canada takes notice and doesn't try to similarly mail in its effort tonight.

The bright side? Team USA (egged on by the bleating goats in the US media) will be supremely overconfident coming into the gold medal game and hang up their "Mission Accomplished" banner far too soon.

[Texas Blueliner]

Sigh, Fins getting dirty.

[Vinny01]

Well I was PVRing the game to watch leading up to the team Canada game and a guy just came by my desk to inform me of the 6-0 score.

In the age of the PVR it is important to ask "did you hear the score?" then to blurt out 6-0 USA. I would not have wanted to watch that anyway. Poor Kipper I was talking smack how he was best in the world. Oh well I didn't really want to have to cheer for Luongo over him anyway, and redemption on the States is what we need.

[Flame On]

Oh man Ferraro's precious Hawks player Kane is abused by the ex Flame! How could he?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

That is because you must realize what logic you are applying.

Last year, Kipper had more wins, therefore wins were a more important factor when evaluating his goaltending. SV% and GAA were not applicable because the team in front was terrible. Last year Luongo was lucky enough to beat Kipper in SV% and GAA, but had less wins. therefore he was an inferior goaltender.

This year Kipper has better SV% and GAA numbers than Luongo. That is the criteria this year. Wins are not as important this year, as Kipper has suffered from a poor team in front of him. Again it is Luongo's bad luck that he has not played at a consistently high level in the stats that matter this year, GAA and SV%. Please pay attention to what stats and logic matter and how they correlate with the calendar.

Why is this so surprising? It's a Calgary Flames fan board. Imagine that. Flames fans who take glee in a Vancouver Canuck goalie doing bad. That's illogical!

[JayP]

Originally Posted by HOOT

When did I say that? Kiprusoff has done a lot more in his career than Luongo in a shorter time span so Kiprusoff has a lot less to prove. Luongo is still waiting to win that defining game of his career. Luongo has been the reason the Canucks have been booted from the playoffs the last two times, missed the playoffs because of him in another. When you look at Kiprusoff he is the only reason the last three playoffs the series have gone 6-7 instead of 4.

Luongo could change all that with a Gold medal win but without a Gold (or Silver with a good performance) he hasn't done anything in his career. Luongo is a top goaltender in the NHL, just hasn't proved it outside a few playoff births.

Ask any Canucks fan if Luongo is the reason they got booted from the playoffs against Anaheim. The guy won the Dallas series and stood on his head against the Ducks.

By that logic, isn't Kipper getting pulled in game 7 against the Sharks 2 years ago the reason they got booted from the playoffs? No, of course not. It's the teams fault, not his.

Kipper has definitely proven more than Luongo has in his career. But he's not without his share of poor showings in important games.

[Icon]

1st goal - Kipper's fault. Absolutely no question there.

Others - Defense's fault. How you (a) let people be that open, or (b) have no desire to go after the puck in your own end is absolutely beyond me in a semi-final game in any tournament on any level. Finland's defense is playing absolutely horrendous.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What the hell is your point? This is a Flames board. The Canucks are our biggest rival. I don't think anyone believed Luongo actually would suck for his entire career, but 7uongo was a wicked internet joke.

Sports is all about giving your rivals a hard time. Get over it.

Agreed. I am not even sure why there are Canuck/Oiler fans that post on these boards (unless maybe they live in Calgary?) I am not really against it but I don't understand why they would spend so much time with the enemy to defend their team against a bunch of fans that hate them.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by -TC-

i just realized what a massive dick ferraro is

Nahhhh, he's a little prick. Don't give him that much credit. lol