Warning To Dog Walkers!

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

Fixed

That said you know what else is fun about the Pink tickets ######bags give out (not yellow like traffic ones cops give)... they turn into arrest warrents....

My friend and roommate needed to register his dog/puppy so since I work downtown I did it for him, but I had to do it in my name... no biggy to wither of us at the time. About a year later a ######bag (who knew via computer system there was a dog with an expired tag) comes to my house and demands to see the dogs license, which had expired by about a month, and becuase it was in my name I get a pink ticket for $150. I gave ticket to my friend and thought nothing more of it... he ofcourse didn't pay the ticket on time and so then the police came to my house with an arrest warrent for me and took me to the station, where I was thankfully allowed to pay the fine + late fees or else I was spending the night in jail. Oh ya they sent two cops for *this* dangerous criminal at 9:30pm at night, told me I was lucky becuase after 10pm no one would have been around to process the ticket payment and I would have been put in downtown jail with all those other scumbags, we made with a whole 5 minutes to spare and they took their sweet time... yep... but we need more cops in this city. There are just so many animal tickets that need to be enforced by arrest that they have no time for gangs, shootings and drunk drivers.

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Cops usually work in tandem at night. 2 per car.

[GGG]

The real issue here is that there are not enough off-leash areas in the city. If a bylaw is continually broken and causes a problem instead of enforcement they need to look at a solution to the problem. This happens all the time with behaviour laws instead of solving the behavaiour they use non-effective draconion enforcement. If lots of people are jaywalking at a certain spot on a street the solution would be to put in a crosswalk rather than ticket the jaywalkers.

If there are 3 or 4 parks in every neighbourhood one of them should be designated off leash. A significant portion of citizens have dogs therefore there should be a significant number of off leash areas rather than the ones that are tossed in as afterthoughts. I don't fault the OP for using the park as an off leash area when the city should be providing these facilities in a convenient location for its citizens.

Even more ridiculus is the complaints you read in the Sun every summer about people down by the elbow river dog park complaining about off leash dogs while they are walking through it. If you don't want to be near a dog off a leash don't walk through a dog park

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Final warning for people to watch the insults in this thread or it gets shutdown.

But.. but.. Dissing Edmonton is a victimless crime..

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

I'd like to meet you in person before you go and generalise me into a catagory, or a "type" of person based on a warning to dog walkers. you should get a ticket for be ignorant that Shantz was a terrible player. Having a sig like that is a crime in itself. I could assume many things about you based on your posts. I'm an honest guy. And the reason I started this wasn't for anyones pity, it was a warning to dog walkers. it wasn't intended for "I told you so" type people like you. Hopefully it saves another Calgarian from getting a useless ticket. I hope you quit wasting your time trying to police people on the internet, it not very becoming. you were a tattletale/told you so/fingerpointer in school weren't you? I'm just basing this on your posts though.

Gee, Jeff Shantz was a bad hockey player?
I had no idea. Maybe now that I know this I can try to salvage my name by convincing people that it's a sarcastic name with a funny story behind it? Nope that'll never fly.

But hey, I guess I have to appologize. I guess you were just starting a thread to warn dog owners of a bylaw that clearly is stupid and they have no way of knowing about becasue it's just so difficult/confusing/obscure.

Maybe I'll go ahead and start threads about some other laws that people will likely have no idea about, feel free to add to my list:

1) Speeding
2) Running red lights
3) Steeling just a little bit of money
4) Killing people

that's all I can think of for now, but maybe more will come to me.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

I'd like to meet you in person before you go and generalise me into a catagory, or a "type" of person based on a warning to dog walkers. you should get a ticket for be ignorant that Shantz was a terrible player. Having a sig like that is a crime in itself. I could assume many things about you based on your posts. I'm an honest guy. And the reason I started this wasn't for anyones pity, it was a warning to dog walkers. it wasn't intended for "I told you so" type people like you. Hopefully it saves another Calgarian from getting a useless ticket. I hope you quit wasting your time trying to police people on the internet, it not very becoming. you were a tattletale/told you so/fingerpointer in school weren't you? I'm just basing this on your posts though.

Your warning to dog walkers is not not have your dog off leash? I think most people know that. Does anyone feel the need to warn car owners that they must drive on the right side of the yellow line? There are no signs telling you that. If you could have your dog off leash anywhere in the city, off leash areas would just be called 'areas'.

Common sense FTW....

[FlamesAddiction]

I can understand the frustration... I've been ticketed for things that I have thought were totally unfair. Once time I was driving people home from work at 3:00 am during a snow storm and was pulled over for no reason other than the fact it was a bad neighbourhood and it was late. After pulling me over and realizing that there was nothing fishy going on, I was given a ticket for pulling into no parking zone. I tried to fight it, but I lost... stupid quota system!

Having said that, in your situation, the bylaw officer was only doing what he is supposed to do. I know one personally, and she IS NOT allowed to give warnings. If word got around that she gave someone a warning, it's her job and ability to make a living that is at stake... and that trumps your desire to play fetch. As for him being a dick... yeah, I suppose he didn't have to be... but you might be surprised at the amount of abuse and ridicule they get from their jobs.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Barnes

If you could have your dog off leash anywhere in the city, off leash areas would just be called 'areas'.

Gold star.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by fotze

Isn't saltwater cowboy a buddy of Tron's and isn't BBS as well? I'm starting to wonder if this feud is a little staged.

and Madman has a legitimate beef with that story. Thats overkill.

I have no idea if saltwater cowboy is a buddy of Tron, but I am.
Hmmmm, maybe we can meet and duke it out

[Traditional_Ale]

I never used a leash for my dog. I was also lucky enough to never once get a ticket for it.

My suggestion is if you want to start a thread about getting a fine for an off-leash dog it may be better to not take the stance which conjurs up images of an Invader Zim like character shaking his fist at the Humans.

Come to think of it, check out THIS GUY'S DOG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r258Jca9e0A

[Incinerator]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Edmonton.. But they call their dogs chicks.

+1 red square

[HelloHockeyFans]

this thread is full of venom and fire!

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

this thread is full of venom and fire!

and win, there has been lots of win in this thread.

[Bobblehead]

I knew I should have read this thread earlier.

OP gets ticket.
Tries to get board on his side by recounting how much of a jerk bylaw officer is.
Inevitable, "don't do the crime...." blah blah.
Followed by the inevitable, "Should be punishing REAL criminals..." blah blah blah
Names start being thrown around ("TIPS"? - I have decided the person who first throws that term around probably isn't going to be reasonable)
Of course, the "High horse" "everyone is perfect" argument comes into play.
Warnings then issued


Overall, a well executed thread, if a total cliche.

I give it 7/10. (I was going to go with 6, but the EDM slams pushed it up to the higher score)

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

I live in Prestwick (McKenzie Towne) and I walk my dog most days (clean up after him too, always). Yesterday I walk him over by the school just off 52nd, walk through the school yard, and over to the baseball diamond field. There is nobody around. A giant empty park. Anyway, I'm kicking a soccer ball around and my dog is playing fetch with it, when all of a sudden I turn around to see a Bylaw truck speeding toward me through the park with its lights turned on. he procedes to lecture me about having my dog off the leash, and being near a school yard, and that there are posted signs everywhere.. He's actually looking angry and has a tone in his voice that was getting me angry. So I clammed up. He takes my ID and procedes to write me a ticket for $100 !!! Ticket was for "Animal Running at Large" even though he's playing fetch and there is nobody around. So I grab the dog and head back the way I came. As I'm walking out of the park near the school I notice that no sign exists where I enter the park. I flag him down and point out to him that there is no sign, and it would have been nice of him to give me a warning. Like I need a $100 ticket to learn not to take my frickin dog into the park!! He repies "Well we don't give warnings, we give tickets". BAAHHHHH!! I was furious at the guy, but I wasn't showing it or being an ass.

So anyway, sorry for the long post, but be warned, the city is trying to scrape together some extra cash. Keep your dog on the leash. I just couldn't understand that I was actually commiting a crime worth $100 ticket when a warning would've corrected the situation, and kept an average tax paying citizen, from hating the Calgary FAKE COPS with attitudes.

^This should read - Dog owners, be careful the bylaw officers are watching. Don't take your dog off leash or you will be ticketed $100. I know because they did it to me yesterday. Be warned. I should've known better.

Sorry for wasting everyones time

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I knew I should have read this thread earlier.

OP gets ticket.
Tries to get board on his side by recounting how much of a jerk bylaw officer is.
Inevitable, "don't do the crime...." blah blah.
Followed by the inevitable, "Should be punishing REAL criminals..." blah blah blah
Names start being thrown around ("TIPS"? - I have decided the person who first throws that term around probably isn't going to be reasonable)
Of course, the "High horse" "everyone is perfect" argument comes into play.
Warnings then issued


Overall, a well executed thread, if a total cliche.

I give it 7/10. (I was going to go with 6, but the EDM slams pushed it up to the higher score)

Glad to hear I contributed in a positive way..

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Cops usually work in tandem at night. 2 per car.

I imagine that they implemented that for their safety, because night time is more dangerous... like when they seek a person out in their home and stop dog owners from watching TV at 9:30pm on a weeknight so you can arrest them for not paying a dog fine.

Do you think its possible you missed my point?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

^This should read - Dog owners, be careful the bylaw officers are watching. Don't take your dog off leash or you will be ticketed $100. I know because they did it to me yesterday. Be warned. I should've known better.

Sorry for wasting everyones time

But then we would have missed out on a the angst.

Won't somebody think of the angst!?!?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

I imagine that they implemented that for their safety, because night time is more dangerous... like when they seek a person out in their home and stop dog owners from watching TV at 9:30pm on a weeknight so you can arrest them for not paying a dog fine.

Do you think its possible you missed my point?

Hardened criminals like you should be given a dangerous offender status to keep our streets safe..

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

There are just so many animal tickets that need to be enforced by arrest that they have no time for gangs, shootings and drunk drivers.

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First off, some good info there for sure.

But I wonder how many drug dealers, gang members, etc. that they happen to catch because they are also out serving arrest warrants. For example, let's say a drug dealer has a dog, and he hasn't renewed the license. So the police show up with an arrest warrant, and right in plain sight is a drug scale. The police had reason to enter his house; to serve the arrest warrant. They see the drug paraphernalia, and either get another warrant to serve while the person is being help, or do a further search. (I'm not up on my search laws, so I can't say for sure.)

In any event, I can say that on a regular basis (like more than once per year) I have to deal with dogs that have irresponsible owners. Be it stepping in and/or cleaning up poop, a dog digging in my yard, or most recently when I thought I heard a dog attacking a child. That one turned out to be a dog attacking another dog, but I didn't find out until after I came running out of my house with a hatchet in my hand. Whereas I am far less frequently exposed to drug traffic and the issues that come with that. So for me I don't mind a certain amount of enforcement going out keep dogs where they should be.

Now, that being said, while I think dogs owners should be responsible, I also think the OP has a point with there not being signage, and he also has a point to raise for city council regarding land use for dog owners.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Now, that being said, while I think dogs owners should be responsible, I also think the OP has a point with there not being signage, and he also has a point to raise for city council regarding land use for dog owners.

See that's the part that I found to be the most rediculous.

Why would the city put up signs everywhere that dogs need to be on a leash when the bylaw is that they have to be on a leas everywhere except designated areas. Which one is simpler/easier?

If I get a ticket for peeing in public would I have a point that there were no signs that said I couldn't pee there?