Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

He was on a advisory committee with Obama's campaign until his buddy Rev Wright went down. Barak has given tax payers money(over $100,000) to this priest's organizations. Barak's church of 20 years cheered the racist comment's of this Priest just like they cheered on Wright's racist sermons. Barak's current Pastor heartily thanked the Priest for his racist sermon. Barak has gone on record as calling both of these men mentors in his past. No rational person is going to believe that these sermons are isolated occurences in that church. Likewise, no rational person still believes that Obama isn't aware of the racist beliefs of both his mentors.

He's a white Priest for crying out loud. What are you missing here? Do you think he's some sort of self-hating Priest who doesn't even like himself?

And what was so racist about it all anyway? It's funny that all the people that bash Hillary about every goddamn thing under the sun are suddenly fierce defenders of her when some white guy suggests that she might have entitlement syndrome because she is white. He was talking about one person.

Is it the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" routine?

People are doing everything they can to paint this guy as a racist and a terrorist. Some morons are still going on about him being Muslim while at the same time tying him to an effing Christian church and a Catholic priest. It doesn't make any sense.

Is it desperation? Racism? I think it's racism.

See, I can do it too.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Considering the nuts McCain has hooked himself too, I don't know why any Republicans would bother even bringing up Obama's religious friends, acquaintances or anything to do with all that, lest the other side do the same thing.

McCain? What does this have to do with McCain?

Obama should deal with his self-described 'spiritual advisors'....so that they stop creating a rift in the media ever 2 weeks. Because this whole religious crap is getting extremely ridiculous.

The whole election campaign is going to be based around personal issues, again....instead of the ridiculous positions of both McCain/Obama.

Nobody needs religious issues to bring down Obama.....just focus on his actual positions on the problems facing the US these days.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Is it desperation? Racism? I think it's racism.

See, I can do it too.

Its the same thing you're trying to do with McCain. Bring him down because of the people around him.

I don't agree with any of it, but Obama himself said that a person should be judged by the company he keeps.

I seriously thought that once the issue with Wright was over, everyone would get down to the 'actual' issues, but it turns out Obama can't do proper damage control, and the media doesn't give a crap about doing their job properly.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

McCain? What does this have to do with McCain?

It has something to do with McCain because it should go both ways. McCain actively courted the support of people who are flat-out crazy religious nuts.

If someone is going to raise a stink about, of all things, what some Priest said about Hillary Clinton and how it makes Obama racist, I think it is fair play to bring up McCain's pals who think exponentially-crazier things than Hillary Clinton thinks she should get the nomination because she's white and Bill is her husband.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It has something to do with McCain because it should go both ways. McCain actively courted the support of people who are flat-out crazy religious nuts.

If someone is going to raise a stink about, of all things, what some Priest said about Hillary Clinton and how it makes Obama racist, I think it is fair play to bring up McCain's pals who think exponentially-crazier things than Hillary Clinton thinks she should get the nomination because she's white and Bill is her husband.

I'm not even going to argue about this.

McCain has no ties to 'flat-out crazy religious nuts'....like Obama does that are comparable.

It shouldn't go either way.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

McCain? What does this have to do with McCain?

Obama should deal with his self-described 'spiritual advisors'....so that they stop creating a rift in the media ever 2 weeks. Because this whole religious crap is getting extremely ridiculous.

The whole election campaign is going to be based around personal issues, again....instead of the ridiculous positions of both McCain/Obama.

Nobody needs religious issues to bring down Obama.....just focus on his actual positions on the problems facing the US these days.

Before we get ourselves all in a lather, why don't we agree to the following.

1. If religious leaders connected to Obama are important to this campaign, then the same rules apply to McCain. Either both are important or neither is. I vote for neither--but everyone's got to make their own decision about it.
2. Presidential candidates don't need "spiritual advisors." Basically it's a made-up position--at best it's an honorific, and at worst it's a fake title conferred by the media in order to generate controversy.
3. Obama isn't responsible for the comments made by people that he has at one time been connected with. Neither is McCain. Both are responsible for their own opinions, their own statements, their own policies and their own record. We can also use the opinions of people that look poised to take important policy-shaping positions, so long as there's clear evidence that they will take on that role in a candidate's administration.

I think if we can agree to those three points, it will eliminate a lot of idiotic crosstalk about who said what, who's a racist, who's connected to a neo-Nazi--and maybe we can start thinking about what an Obama or McCain administration will look like.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

He was on a advisory committee with Obama's campaign until his buddy Rev Wright went down. Barak has given tax payers money(over $100,000) to this priest's organizations. Barak's church of 20 years cheered the racist comment's of this Priest just like they cheered on Wright's racist sermons. Barak's current Pastor heartily thanked the Priest for his racist sermon. Barak has gone on record as calling both of these men mentors in his past. No rational person is going to believe that these sermons are isolated occurences in that church. Likewise, no rational person still believes that Obama isn't aware of the racist beliefs of both his mentors.

Well this priest has been active for the disadvantaged in Chicago with his anti drug and tobacco campaigns and I understand that Obama got his start in organizing these communities so receiving government help wouldn't be out of the ordinary and probably commendable.

This priest has some warts but no more than McCain supporters Rev.s Hagee and Parsley.

I liked the day when preachers mostly stayed out of politics or when they did they received their proper publicity, meaning they were ignored. This new prominence of religion in politics is a threat to good government and should be stopped unless we want to end up like the Moslem countries.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Google is easiy to use:

http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid...ichael+Pfleger

This has been on Fox news as well. I suppose the rest of the networks don't see how publishing this story would help their canidate.

Neg. You said black racist.

This man is not black.

Try again.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Before we get ourselves all in a lather, why don't we agree to the following.

1. If religious leaders connected to Obama are important to this campaign, then the same rules apply to McCain. Either both are important or neither is. I vote for neither--but everyone's got to make their own decision about it.
2. Presidential candidates don't need "spiritual advisors." Basically it's a made-up position--at best it's an honorific, and at worst it's a fake title conferred by the media in order to generate controversy.
3. Obama isn't responsible for the comments made by people that he has at one time been connected with. Neither is McCain. Both are responsible for their own opinions, their own statements, their own policies and their own record. We can also use the opinions of people that look poised to take important policy-shaping positions, so long as there's clear evidence that they will take on that role in a candidate's administration.

I think if we can agree to those three points, it will eliminate a lot of idiotic crosstalk about who said what, who's a racist, who's connected to a neo-Nazi--and maybe we can start thinking about what an Obama or McCain administration will look like.

Well....I can for the most part agree with that.

One thing though, the reason candidates need spiritual advisor's is because religion plays a huge part in the election cycle down in the US, despite a clear separation of church and state that is supposed to exist.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This priest has some warts but no more than McCain supporters Rev.s Hagee and Parsley.

McCain cut off his ties to Hagee. Took him long enough, but he still cut them off.

Of course, it wasn't 20 years too long like the time it took Obama to throw his pastor under the bus.

I liked the day when preachers mostly stayed out of politics or when they did they received their proper publicity, meaning they were ignored. This new prominence of religion in politics is a threat to good government and should be stopped unless we want to end up like the Moslem countries.

I 'would' have liked the days when election campaigns were about actual issues, and the candidates ran on a campaign that told the American people how they would solve those issues.

Hasn't existed in my time though.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Florida's delegates will be seated with 50% voting power, according to the DNC rules committee.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Florida's delegates will be seated with 50% voting power, according to the DNC rules committee.

Yikes. Bad compromise for the Obama camp.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Michigan's delegates will also be seated, with 69 Clinton supporters and 59 Obama supporters all receiving one half vote.

[HOZ]

The cartoon is just soooo true.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yikes. Bad compromise for the Obama camp.

Bad? Try amazingly good. Because of what has happened today it can easily be said now that Barack Obama WILL be the Democratic Nominee for President this fall. From what is being said on CNN, it sounds as though he should have the super delegates he needs(which is going to be roughly 20 of the remaining 200) by Tuesday at which point he will likely declare victory.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Neg. You said black racist.

This man is not black.

Try again.

I'm aware he isn't black. That didn't stop him from saying things that amounted to black stereotyping of whites which is racist.

[Azure]

Apparently Obama just threw his church under the bus.

Which is weird. I mean, if they aren't racist, and he wasn't aware that Wright was such an idiot, why leave? McCain is going to have fun with this.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Apparently Obama just threw his church under the bus.

Which is weird. I mean, if they aren't racist, and he wasn't aware that Wright was such an idiot, why leave? McCain is going to have fun with this.

Who cares what church any half intelligent politician goes to. Most just go to pay lip service to Christianity anyways, so they'll be electable and able to join all the right clubs of the old boys networks. Now there is the odd half wit politician who actually believes the snake oil these churches peddle, but that ends us up in foreign wars, inflation, debt and recession and nobody would actually elect such a fool.
Oh wait.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Azure

Apparently Obama just threw his church under the bus.

Which is weird. I mean, if they aren't racist, and he wasn't aware that Wright was such an idiot, why leave? McCain is going to have fun with this.

McCain might not touch it, either. I think he thinks that he can beat Obama on the issues. The Republican bloggers will keep it alive though and use anythig else that surfaces.

The biggest problem Barak is going to have is his inexperience. The Presidency is a lot to trust to a man without a past he can talk about.

The Democrats are trying to paint a McCain presidency as another 4 years of Bush. I don't think it will stick. McCain is too different from Bush and McCain is seen as a maverick who has gone against his party when he feels the need.

On the other hand I can see Republicans having an easy time painting Obama as 4 more years of Carter.
I wonder if Obama has a brother named Billy.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Who cares what church any half intelligent politician goes to. Most just go to pay lip service to Christianity anyways, so they'll be electable and able to join all the right clubs of the old boys networks. Now there is the odd half wit politician who actually believes the snake oil these

I think you've been missing the sermons that have been coming from that church. They are not christian by a long shot. They are very political and racist based. The KKK also calls themselves a christian organisation but, no white politician of merit would hold a membership with them for 20 minutes let alone twenty years.

How many race laced sermons has Barak sat through in that twenty years? The answer is many.

How many race laced sermons has McClain sat through preached by Hagey or the other preacher who endorsed him? I don't know if he ever has sat through either man's sermons; Nor has McCain called either man his mentor.