Single Joint=20 Cigarettes And Huge Lung Cancer Risk: Researchers

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Oh nice, because you can't debate you attack my spelling, nice work bud. FYI, I am posting from my laptop because I am at work it is a pretty damn slow machine not to mention I am going back and forth between work and posting, so if I miss spell a word here or there and miss it, oh friggen well.

Actually, you repeatedly spell benefit incorrectly and it's irritating. Nothing more and nothing less. You used the word a lot and it was grating on my nerves.

As for your sister, you said the doctor told her to smoke pot instead of using morphine, assuming to control pain. Morphine is bad, pot is bad, morphine is worst than pot and can control pain therefor use pot instead of morphine. Smoking pot is not prolonging her life it is making it more bearable to live.

No, I didn't. I said that she was told to smoke pot for the other benefits as she was already on morphine for the pain. The pot wasn't for pain at all, although in addition to the other benefits, she didn't need to use the morphine as often. A side benefit, if you will.

As for you little thridly remark....hahaha.....so funny, especially after I acknowledged my original mistake......oh you are so funny.

This was a pretty decent thread until your above comments.

If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Re-read the thread.

And again you prove my point. Unreal.

How about you reread the thread...

Are you saying that pot is as bad for society as alcohol?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What are you waiting for? Write a cheque to the government now, they will take your money, it doesn't have to be legalized.

I'd rather go to jail and cost YOU money, actually. Cause I'm a selfish pot smoker out there harming the entirety of society.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Who are these pot smokers you are talking about that don't think it harms people at all? I've never met one...

Flash Walken

That the health problems associated with it's consumption are negligible at best and an inconvenience at worst

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Flash Walken

No where did I see him say that pot isn't harmful.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

I did laugh at myself? Or maybe you missed that one.

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Haha, not sure what happened there.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

No where did I see him say that pot isn't harmful.

Did you read my post?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I did laugh at myself? Or maybe you missed that one.

And I was laughing with you.

People are WAY too uptight around here.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by FireFly

How about you reread the thread...

Are you saying that pot is as bad for society as alcohol?

Are you kidding me?

What I am saying is that one has nothing to do with the other and if proponents of marijuana and it's healthiness can't make their point without invoking alcohol then they have no point!

Wow.

You might want to reread the thread as I suggested because somewhere along the way you missed something that I was responding to.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Did you read my post?

Yeah, he said the harm was negligable or inconvenient. Again, he doesn't say it doesn't exist.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

And I was laughing with you.

People are WAY too uptight around here.

Had you not started the thread off attacking me because of a friggen spelling istake I might have laughed about it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

That the health problems associated with it's consumption are negligible at best and an inconvenience at worst?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Yeah, he said the harm was negligable or inconvenient. Again, he doesn't say it doesn't exist.

Oh good god,

definition of negligible:

so small, trifling, or unimportant that it may safely be neglected or disregarded

Oh, you spelt it wrong, I guess we are all humans.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Are you kidding me?

What I am saying is that one has nothing to do with the other and if proponents of marijuana and it's healthiness can't make their point without invoking alcohol then they have no point!

Wow.

You might want to reread the thread as I suggested because somewhere along the way you missed something that I was responding to.

OMG. I got it. I agreed. Did you read that part where I agreed?

I didn't need to compare it to alcohol. I wanted to. To prove a point. If you want to take out everything harmful from society, lets start with caffeine, cigarettes, junk food, vehicles, animals, food... the list goes on and on.

My reasoning behind wanting pot legalized have nothing to do with it's affects in comparison with other equally or more harmful substances. It's all about personal choice and the benefit of the government. However, the proponents of keeping it banned keep bringing up that it's harmful.

To say that pot should NOT be legalized because it's harmful, and yet being okay with the consumption of other harmful products is as hypocritical as people who say pot should be legalized because it isn't as harmful as other legal substances.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Oh good god,

definition of negligible:

so small, trifling, or unimportant that it may safely be neglected or disregarded

Oh, you spelt it wrong, I guess we are all humans.

I spelled it wrong ONCE. That's a typo. You spelled it wrong repeatedly. That's ignorance.

And I caught it, I just left it there because I knew you couldn't help yourself.

And I know what negligible means. But thanks for the helpful tip. In case you were wondering, small and unimportant are not the same as "does not exist".

[Got Miikka?]

Hey why don't we all just smoke a peace pipe.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I spelled it wrong ONCE. That's a typo. You spelled it wrong repeatedly. That's ignorance.

And I caught it, I just left it there because I knew you couldn't help yourself.

And I know what negligible means. But thanks for the helpful tip. In case you were wondering, small and unimportant are not the same as "does not exist".

Can you show me where anyone claimed that pot smokers said that it "does not exist"?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

So you're saying people should have the right to show up for worked stoned? (!)

Whoops, I was totally stoned when I wrote that part.

Now where are my twinkies.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by FireFly

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Yes, you still get the high, but you're removing a lot of the other things that happen when you burn it.

So you are claiming a disproportionate amount of “bad” elements are filtered out versus “good” elements? Sorry, don't agree whatsoever. Let alone the residue is also smoked by some.

Originally Posted by FireFly

I'm well aware of what's being consumed, the point was that the study didn't differentiate, and there likely is a large difference in the harmful side effects from one product to the other. The point needs to be made that not all pot is the same and has the same chemical composition, as such, it won' thave the same effects.

Moot point. Period. I will readily admit that there are some nasty chemicals in cigarettes. I do NOT admit that there are any significant differences in your typical "backyard" plant versus hydroponically grown ones. And I have seen some of the best grown plants BC has to offer. Where do you think I grew up? And not saying I know who is who anymore...

Originally Posted by FireFly

Really? So why do they say that there's a point after quitting smoking that your lungs go back to the state they would be if you'd never smoked? ABUSE of either WILL hurt. Your liver does rebound, certainly. But after witnessing my grandfather drink himself to death, I can assure you there is a point in which your liver will no longer keep rebounding.

No, lungs do not "go back". Period. Seed planted. Seed grown. My dead Mother for one will attest to that. Died of lung cancer 30 years after quitting.

Originally Posted by FireFly

Really? How often do you hear about people in a stoned rage beating their wives? If you're talking health concerns, being a chronic pot-head is probably as bad for you as being an alcoholic, sure. Maybe the affects on your physical health are worse, but I might argue that the effects on your mental health are worse if you're an alcoholic, and if we're talking cost to the system, alcholics cost more money.

Subjective statements. Let alone that of all the people I have ever met who do smoke pot, only a VERY small fraction ONLY smoke up. Most also drink. So the saying "adding insult to injury" might be appropriate. And before someone pounces on this, one of the few that did only toke up was one that did take his own life too.

Originally Posted by FireFly

I feel for you and the loss of your friends over pot and alcohol. However it's far easier to be a functioning pot head than it is to be a functioning alcoholic, and that's from MY experience. I lived it for years. My brother lives it. Hell, half the small town I grew up in lives it. Pot doesn't magnify the symptoms of depression the same way that alcohol does. Sure, every pothead I know doesn't live up to their potential, but that doesn't make them suicidal or intentionally harm other people the way that alcohol does.

One might think so at a younger age... but again, let me tell you from years of experience.... this just ISN'T the case.

Appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I, however, will never be convinced about what I have already gone though. Nor what I have viewed in others. And with that, I am out of this thread. I have stated my peace.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Can you show me where anyone claimed that pot smokers said that it "does not exist"?

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Wasn't necessarily referring to you past the first line, there were plenty of other targets in this thread.

As for the last paragraph, I am simply refuting the consistant defense used by pot smokers that marijuana use is not only harmless, but doesn't hurt anyone beyond the user either. Complete and utter BS. Has nothing to do with legalization or criminalization. Completely irrelevant to me.

Harmless would mean that harm doesn't exist.