2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I don't think there's too many similarities between Laughton and Dube, other than their shared ability to play all 3 forward positions- Laughton is bigger, much more hard-nosed and physical, and is known for his defensive prowess. Laughton is much closer to Backlund than Dube.

Yes, we could use another top-6 player, but does that mean we have to stop improving the bottom-6? Laughton has the skill and scoring to fill in as a second-line C, as well- or as a winger. We could use more hard-nosed, physical players.

Yeah but we have to assume it's a Hanifin trade and I would want a lot more than Laughton, Backlund or Dube sure as he would then fill a need.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What would a realistic acquisition cost be for Laughton?

Not really sure, but as Snuffy said- you would want more back in a trade for Hanifin (who the Flyers have been rumoured to be kicking tires on). Laughton isn't a huge point producer, is more suited to 3rd-line duty (he's also an excellent penalty-killer), and is getting up there in age, at 29. The Flyers have been a mess for years, and at this point, they probably would want quality roster youth, prospects and/or picks- so it may not be feasible right now....

I still love him though- he has some qualities we could use on our roster.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Can't see Backlund getting traded after the Huska interview. He loves Backs and he will be the captain. Too much history together.

Depends on whether he can be signed for a reasonable deal.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I'd look into Nylander if :

A) he would be willing to sign a long term deal at around 8.5 to 9 million
B) if Toronto was willing to accept Mangiapane, Tanev (retained at 50%) and a second for him.

If we acquired Nylander we couldn't keep Mangiapane at his current cap hit.

After that you run with the following :

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Nylander
Ruzicka-Kadri-Shaggy
Pelletier-Backlund-Dube
Coleman-Jones -Duehr

If that happened (big if), I'd rather run with:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Nylander
Coronato-Kadri-Sharangovich
Pelletier-Backlund-Dube
Coleman-Ruzicka-Duehr

[Hackey]

If Conroy lands Nylander for Mangiapane and Tanev he's crowned the new Wizard. That's a pipe dream.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Conroy lands Nylander for Mangiapane and Tanev he's crowned the new Wizard. That's a pipe dream.

I don't think anyone wants to be crowned "the new wizard" seeing as the old wizard left a steaming pile of #### behind him for someone else to clean up. Treliving was a bad GM and it's shocking it took so many people so long to figure out the obvious. I hope Conroy manages to find his own way and put a positive stamp on the organization. So far so meh. But he's got a lot of clean up to do after the curtain was pulled back on "The Wizard" so this may take some time.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Conroy lands Nylander for Mangiapane and Tanev he's crowned the new Wizard. That's a pipe dream.

It all depends on how much value you think they hold.

Mangiapane had a down year but you would have to think that Brad still remembers his 35 goal season. What would you consider his value to be?

Tanev adds some stability that the leafs defence desperately needs. I would think if he was to be retained that his value would be a 2nd plus a very solid prospect.

We would also be adding an additional second so it break down to this in terms of value:

Mangapiane (hard to gauge his value), 2 2nds and a very solid prospect for Nylander.

Is it really that far off?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't think anyone wants to be crowned "the new wizard" seeing as the old wizard left a steaming pile of #### behind him for someone else to clean up. Treliving was a bad GM and it's shocking it took so many people so long to figure out the obvious. I hope Conroy manages to find his own way and put a positive stamp on the organization. So far so meh. But he's got a lot of clean up to do after the curtain was pulled back on "The Wizard" so this may take some time.

Christ, man. You sound like a jilted lover.

The guy rejected an offer from the Flames to stay and went to become the GM of the most powerful team, or at the very least in the top 3, in the league. He’s not a bad GM.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Conroy lands Nylander for Mangiapane and Tanev he's crowned the new Wizard. That's a pipe dream.

Nylander’s value drops when Treliving over-spends the cap and now has to figure out how to dump Murray and also trade Nylander at a reasonable deal. Mangiapane + Tanev @50% and maybe something else isn’t too farfetched if you ask me, especially since we’d be the ones giving Nylander a 64-72m deal.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't think anyone wants to be crowned "the new wizard" seeing as the old wizard left a steaming pile of #### behind him for someone else to clean up. Treliving was a bad GM and it's shocking it took so many people so long to figure out the obvious. I hope Conroy manages to find his own way and put a positive stamp on the organization. So far so meh. But he's got a lot of clean up to do after the curtain was pulled back on "The Wizard" so this may take some time.

So over the top ...

Treliving made his mistakes, they all do, but he certainly had his strengths.

Drafting was greatly improved.
RFA signings were always under expected.
Made some solid moves on the trade market (some not so solid).

People were pretty happy with him 11 months ago when he pulled off the Tkachuk trade. Things didn't go well after the fact, but that doesn't alter the original transaction.

To me it comes down to direction and who was driving the ship. Was it Treliving who was aiming to be a bubble team every year? Or was it ownership? I think we're about to find out.

Treliving's biggest mistake was believing in the core he had assembled. They just didn't get it done in the playoffs.

[ForeverFlameFan]

^ last statement cannot be stated enough.

He believed in this core, maybe a little too much though. It is what it is and we’re paying for it now.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So over the top ...

Treliving made his mistakes, they all do, but he certainly had his strengths.

Drafting was greatly improved.
RFA signings were always under expected.
Made some solid moves on the trade market (some not so solid).

People were pretty happy with him 11 months ago when he pulled off the Tkachuk trade. Things didn't go well after the fact, but that doesn't alter the original transaction.

To me it comes down to direction and who was driving the ship. Was it Treliving who was aiming to be a bubble team every year? Or was it ownership? I think we're about to find out.

Treliving's biggest mistake was believing in the core he had assembled. They just didn't get it done in the playoffs.

I'd counter with:

Treliving's biggest mistakes were selecting his coaching staffs. From day one to his last day, he sidetracked the entire build/team by hiring bad coaches.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd counter with:

Treliving's biggest mistakes were selecting his coaching staffs. From day one to his last day, he sidetracked the entire build/team by hiring bad coaches.

This. It’s this.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

This. It’s this.

Take a snapshot of the team on June 25th, 2016. The Flames had just selected Matthew Tkachuk 6th Overall.

Johnny Gaudreau.
Sean Monahan.
Dougie Hamilton.
Sam Bennett.
Matthew Tkachuk.

Depth picks in the last two drafts (2015 and 2016) include:

Dillon Dube.
Adam Fox.
Rasmus Andersson.
Oliver Kylington.
Andrew Mangiapane.

June 25th 2016 was probably the peak of Brad Treliving's management. Granted he had already signed Gulutzan 10 days earlier, so some damage was already done.

Things then began to unravel. While Treliving did have one more big, awesome trade to do (Hanifin, Lindholm), that deal is largely overshadowed by the mistakes. Whether it was just him, or him acting on the feedback of terrible coaching/a lack of pro scouts, Treliving stopped building a team after June 25th 2016. Everything he did from that point on was reactive and misguided. Cycling through consecutive poor coaching hires, he never gave his assembled core the stability that other successful teams got. We never got THE coach, and it sidetracked everything.

[TheIronMaiden]

BT wasn't a bad GM he was a mid tier GM, and he made the Flames into the quintessential mid tier team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd counter with:

Treliving's biggest mistakes were selecting his coaching staffs. From day one to his last day, he sidetracked the entire build/team by hiring bad coaches.

It's one bad coach though isn't it?

Gulutzan.

Peters was a solid hire without any knowledge of his prior transgressions. He won the conference.

Sutter (his choice or not) certainly got the job done in year two.

Ward I guess was a bad hire, but to me he was second choice after Laviolette turned them down (my theory).

But for sure not trying to say Treliving was perfect, but that steaming mess left by Lanny was over the top and needed to be countered.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So over the top ...

Treliving made his mistakes, they all do, but he certainly had his strengths.

Drafting was greatly improved.
RFA signings were always under expected.
Made some solid moves on the trade market (some not so solid).

People were pretty happy with him 11 months ago when he pulled off the Tkachuk trade. Things didn't go well after the fact, but that doesn't alter the original transaction.

To me it comes down to direction and who was driving the ship. Was it Treliving who was aiming to be a bubble team every year? Or was it ownership? I think we're about to find out.

Treliving's biggest mistake was believing in the core he had assembled. They just didn't get it done in the playoffs.

That and the coaching hires.

[GioforPM]

Treliving built a pretty decent team, and made some mistakes along the way (Hamonic and Neal, mainly). But 2022 Flames were an upper echelon team. They didn't get it done in the POs, but that's a function of a lot of things that went wrong.

The preivous off season, with players deciding to go elsewhere (some at the last minute), he decided, or was told, or both, to push his chips in and still go for it. So he did: Hence Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar. At some point you push chips in. Vegas did it last year. TB did it previously. When you go all in, sometimes you lose.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd counter with:

Treliving's biggest mistakes were selecting his coaching staffs. From day one to his last day, he sidetracked the entire build/team by hiring bad coaches.

Didn't we just promote one of Treliving's guys though?

Hopefully he's the diamond in the rough.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Never mind.