2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Pekkerhead]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

At the end of the day, Markstrom is a 34 year old goalie. If Wolf doesn't work out, the Flames need another long term option, and it isn't Markstrom.

This is a good point. I’m just traumatized based on the number of times the Flames have had a good team with horrible goaltending. I’ll climb off the ledge.

[bax]

Originally Posted by transplant99

After a small sample size, Conroy may be thinking exactly that. Remember he insists on staying competitive during the retool.

I was fortunate enough to get some lower bowl seats that were right behind Wolf in periods 1 and 3.

Ooof.

He is in no way ready for the big show right now. As bad as the club was in front of him (looking especially at Weegar) Wolf was worse.

No idea what he was doing on that first goal but it was that 3rd period that was stunningly bad.

If they do trade Markstrom, they have to get another starter in return as neither Vladar nor Wolf are that.

If you wanna destroy Wolf long term however, then keep feeding him to the....wolves? He really needs way more seasoning in the A.

The last thing Wolf needs is more practice against minor league shooters. He’s been the best goalie in that league since he entered it and has an MVP to his name.

What he needs now is consistent time in the NHL. Facing NHL shooters, adjusting to the grind, learning from a veteran. Most starters spend significant time as an NHL backup or as part of a tandem.

Wolf has nothing left to prove in the AHL.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

At the end of the day, Markstrom is a 34 year old goalie. If Wolf doesn't work out, the Flames need another long term option, and it isn't Markstrom.

Goalies are easier to acquire too. If Wolf takes time to develop and doesn't pan out this team is not winning with Markstrom.

His value likely is the highest it will be now than any other time for the rest of his career.

[the-rasta-masta]

I still think that Vladar has potential to build some momentum with more playing time as well. He's had a rougher year, but I see him being a solid 1B stopgap while Wolf gets his feet under him.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I still think that Vladar has potential to build some momentum with more playing time as well. He's had a rougher year, but I see him being a solid 1B stopgap while Wolf gets his feet under him.

You're connected. Are you implying something about Markstrom? Or are you just speaking hypothetically?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by getbak

I have a good track record recently of not being near my computer when a big story breaks for the Flames. I have an appointment this morning and will be away from a computer from about 11-12:30, so it will happen then.

Couldn't you bump that appointment up to right fricken' now?

[jar_e]

Wolf back to the AHL. I presume that would mean nothing imminent.

[Abstract]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Wolf back to the AHL. I presume that would mean nothing imminent.

Or there's a goalie coming back

[Jiri Hrdina]

Running Vladar and Wolf next year, with a thinned out D, probably guarantees a top 10 pick. Which makes sense for a number of reasons.
I wouldn't be rushing out to replace a #1 in net. Run with them and bottom out.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Conroy changes his mind on a Markstrom trade after a single game then I question his management skills. Vladar or Wolf could be a starter. I hope we find out

The risk aversion of the fanbase mirrors the risk aversion in the previous decade of management. Signing aging vet goalies like Hiller, Elliott, Smith, Markstrom, has produced absolutely zilch while other teams have consistently made deep runs with guys like Binnington, Hill, Murray coming in out of nowhere, typically having played AHL games the exact same year they won a cup. Hell, the only time Kipper made the second round, he started that year as an AHLer.



There's no real rhyme or reason to goalie success. Guys having Vezina type years can flop hard in the playoffs (just look at Markstrom in 2022 vs Edmonton) and guys who lost their starter position due to weak play can suddenly catch fire in the playoffs (eg Holtby in 2018 or MAF in 2017).

Even on an in-season basis, look up North. Stuart Skinner started the season as the worst goalie in the NHL, and since that rocky start has gone 20-5.

Build a strong group of skaters, starting with the center position, and then take a damn chance on some goalies in their 20s and just see how it shakes out. Don't let some predetermined role of "designated veteran starter" dictate the position

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Abstract

Or there's a goalie coming back

Specifically Vanecek.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Conroy changes his mind on a Markstrom trade after a single game then I question his management skills. Vladar or Wolf could be a starter. I hope we find out

Its not a "single" game though.

He has been lit up in his time with the Flames this year. Repeatedly.

He isn't ready, and that's OK. He is only 22. G's historically take longer to figure things out.

You want to wreck him long term? Let him continue to get blown out.

Just my opinion, but seen it way too many times over the course of many years.

I wouldnt be surprised if he is returned to the Wranglers today depending on Vladars health.

[getbak]

Wolf was up on an emergency recall. If they want to activate Vladar today, I don't think they had any choice but to send Wolf back down.

There's a practice scheduled for 11:00 am. The really telling thing will be if Markstrom is at practice or not.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Wolf back to the AHL. I presume that would mean nothing imminent.

Likely Vanecek coming back

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by getbak

Wolf was up on an emergency recall. If they want to activate Vladar today, I don't think they had any choice but to send Wolf back down.

There's a practice scheduled for 11:00 am. The really telling thing will be if Markstrom is at practice or not.

Right.

So he was going back either way when Vladar was ready to come back.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Running Vladar and Wolf next year, with a thinned out D, probably guarantees a top 10 pick. Which makes sense for a number of reasons.
I wouldn't be rushing out to replace a #1 in net. Run with them and bottom out.

Do we want that for next year? I thought Mtl could take our pick if it's between 2-10 next year. I could be wrong.

[PepsiFree]

Random 6 game SV% stat line:
.824
.833
.870
1.00
.976
.667

Other random stat line:
.895
.846
.933
.897
.872
.806


In one of those leagues he’s among the best goalies to play the game over the last few years and has nothing left to prove. In another he’s “just not ready” and at risk of being “destroyed.”

[rogermexico]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Do we want that for next year? I thought Mtl could take our pick if it's between 2-10 next year. I could be wrong.

It's the better of ours or the Florida pick, but ours is top ten protected. So if ours is 1-10, they get Florida's. But if ours is 11th and Florida's is 31st, they get ours.

ETA: I think, and could be misunderstanding it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Do we want that for next year? I thought Mtl could take our pick if it's between 2-10 next year. I could be wrong.

It’s the safer bet. Florida would need a bottom ten pick as well

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The risk aversion of the fanbase mirrors the risk aversion in the previous decade of management. Signing aging vet goalies like Hiller, Elliott, Smith, Markstrom, has produced absolutely zilch while other teams have consistently made deep runs with guys like Binnington, Hill, Murray coming in out of nowhere, typically having played AHL games the exact same year they won a cup. Hell, the only time Kipper made the second round, he started that year as an AHLer.



There's no real rhyme or reason to goalie success. Guys having Vezina type years can flop hard in the playoffs (just look at Markstrom in 2022 vs Edmonton) and guys who lost their starter position due to weak play can suddenly catch fire in the playoffs (eg Holtby in 2018 or MAF in 2017).

Even on an in-season basis, look up North. Stuart Skinner started the season as the worst goalie in the NHL, and since that rocky start has gone 20-5.

Build a strong group of skaters, starting with the center position, and then take a damn chance on some goalies in their 20s and just see how it shakes out. Don't let some predetermined role of "designated veteran starter" dictate the position

The reality is the Flames need to get better as a team. We don't have too many options and the timing is probably best. Conroy showing that he's serious about the retool and if for any reason wolf doesn't play as well as expected Conway will deal with it,, but at that point we should have a much better team. We are bringing in good players who played in the NHL, and should be able to get some good draft picks. Got to give Conway some credit looks like he's executing an actual plan.