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Let the haters hate we all know they wanted a 'sexy' name in return for Phaneuf, but those who actually pay attention to the large majority of players in the league that aren't on All-Star ballots know the Flames made out very well here.
In a battle of the desperate GMs Sutter ONCE AGAIN proved why he's a witch and one of the more savvy GMs in hockey today.Don't let what Phaneuf has done during this last 3 game stretch fool you.. he's inconsistent and his personality is simply too 'loud' for that room.
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He's young, he'll get better, easier to control and more mature. He's what? 23, 24? Probably been your most consistent D-Man this year, has the most upside by a long shot, and will have a very friendly contract by the mid-way point of it. For spare parts.
I said a part of this core had to be dealt, but it had to be an older part. Trading
Phaneuf could look like a disaster this year, but it will be a disaster in two to three years when it turns out that this deal may have been Aullie and
Phaneuf for White.
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Ian White is gonna be a guy Flames fan lean to like very quickly. We got a solid puck moving QB type of player on our back end that plays sound fundamental hockey. He's been a plus player on a BRUTAL team that gives up tons of chances and has below avg goaltending. White was a player we HAD to get back if we were gonna move a D-Man of Dion's calibur.
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Have you watched Ian White lately? Did you watch him on HNIC last night? D. Sedin's fourth goal. He's about fundamentally sound as a building built out of balsa wood on sand. Read Leaf forums on the guy. He started great, but he's fallen off. Recently the goaltending in Teronnah have been the least of their problems. It's the bad D-core that was supposed to be amazing. If White was your "must atleast get" mark for a player like
Phaneuf... well I can't tell you how sad that is.
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Matt Stajan is a perfect fit in Calgary. This guy has great hands, can score or create and he's a solid skater. He's on a 65-70 pt pace this year and I think he's a top 6 fwd that gives you flexiblity with some of your other players. Stajan is young and a sure-fire bet to be a 20-25 goal- 60-70 pt guy annually. Those guys with upside that will go to greasy areas simply don't grow on trees.
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Matt
Stajan is going to get eaten alive in the Wester conference. He's soft as whipped cream. Every game I've watched of the Leaf's this year he's not been noticable. He benefits from playing with Kessel now, and if Kessel's not scoring then neither is
Stajan. Who are you going to put him with? Jokinen? Langkow? Nevermind the fact he's a UFA and could walk shortly.
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Than to still get Nik Hagman? Brilliant.
Hagman is the perfect playoff type player. One thing the majority of those Fins do is play sound, gritty 2-way hockey. Lehtninen, Miettinen, T.Ruutu, J.Jokinen, Kapanen. Hagman has 3 STRAIGHT 20 goal seasons, he's a Team Finland Olympian, he's terrific on the PK, and he's a guy that you can use against players like the Sedins, the Kane/Toews line or the Heatley line in SJ.
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Hagman is the only player in this deal that makes any sense from a Calgary perspective. Knows the Western Conference, played in a defensive system in Dallas under Tippett. But again, when he gets to UFA, will he stick around?
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Than bringing in Jamal Mayers was shrewd as well. That's 3 guys that can scrap now in McGrattan, Prust and Mayers... so Iggy only has to drop 'em when he wants to spark the guys or a situation just calls for it. Plus, don't short-change Mayers when it comes to potting the odd goal. You see him come down the wing yesterday and just blast a howitzer past Luongo?
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Mayers is a plug. You can try and paint him as something else, but you'd be stretching. He's not that good, and he demanded a
trade while going goalless for 21. Real team guy. Nice shot last night though, maybe he can do that for the Flames 21 games from now. Make this
trade look real good.
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He's got more scoring upside than McGrattan and will be a nice fit playing with Prust as a big, physical line that will generate some chances playing 6-9 mins a night depending on the situation.
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He HAD more scoring upside than McGrattan. Then he got older and less good.
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Basically, Sutter cemented our lines and helped shore up the kind of depth you need to make a push in the 2nd half.
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On paper. Sutter does a lot of neat stuff on paper though.
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We didn't just dump a prima-donna that wasn't gonna change his spots any time soon and helped locker room chemistry.. but we dumped salary that will give us more flexibility to make other moves down the road. And we became a tougher team to play against that should generate more chances the way the Flames like to.. with EFFORT and HEART.
Could care less about the sexy name coming back.
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At the end of this
trade the only big thing the Flames get out of this is cap space to chase a UFA in the off-season. A name like Kovalchuk or somesuch to help the offense. I son't think
Stajan will help as much as you're praying. Hagman will chip in, but I get the feeling
Stajan will be a goat on this forum pretty fast.
Losing
Phaneuf for White is going to look like the Gilmour
trade in a few years, bank on it.
In other news: Boston is crying but apparently Phoenix is happy as hell
Would I have liked a 1st rounder? Sure. But I'm perfectly fine with this deal.
Stajan, White and Hagman are keepers that I hope we can re-sign if they pan out and R.Bourque is a must keep player that we should have money for now.
this is a tremendous
trade that I feel, anyway, will help make us a better T.E.A.M.
PS: The major jump by Giordano as a bonafied Top 2 D-Man made his a much easier deal to do as well. I can totally live wih a top 4 of Bouw/Gio/White/Regehr. I still love Pardy as a 5 and would be ecstatic if we can find a contender to take Sarich and his salary and bring back a much lesser priced, but more effective replacement freeing up even more cash.. while getting younger.[/quote]
