PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's not true. It's alive and well but it's been moved to places like Mexico and China. Trump probably won the election on the basis of saying he would bring it back to the USA. I don't know how he's going to accomplish that outside of providing major incentives companies that build everything in the US but that's what he sold the voters.

Automation has also been responsible for a lot of those job losses, and those are never coming back. If there are incentives to bring production back the US, you can bet what returns will be in heavily automated facilities. In fact, that's already happening. Since 2010 the US has increased manufacturing output by 20% after adjusting for inflation, and employment in that sector barely increased at all.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Except that's the context of the conversation being had. Why even bring it up if it isn't a point used to color perceptions? Each comment doesn't exist in a vacuum.

No, you want the conversation to be about one narrow issue. Other people are talking about either different issues or outcomes more broadly. You don't get to define other peoples' points or the direction of the discussion just because you think one element of it is particularly interesting or important to you. Nor do you get to re-cast the context of someone else's comments.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There are few brutal hard labor jobs left as factories are now all automated.

Right, automation and technology have always been the biggest reason for declining jobs in America and around the world, not free trade or other boogeymen. Labour intensive jobs are costly when labour is such a big expense. People in America aren't working for $4 an hour, and companies will look to one time expenses like robotics rather than consistently rising employee wages. Pretty much nothing can be done to reverse this. Best case is you make the cost of living much lower so people can survive on $4 an hour. But most people won't make the sacrifices to make it work.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Regardless, he originally brought this up as a point as why blacks are targeted more by casual racists more than asians in the US, which in itself is a pretty ####ty statement.

That wasn't my intent. I was making a general comparison of the status of American blacks vs American Asians, and suggesting some reasons besides racism for the difference between that status.

We shouldn't ignore internal sources for bad outcomes just because there are political sensitivities around some of those sources. If undesirable beliefs about homosexuality and gay marriage can be changed by challenging individuals and sub-cultures, then undesirable beliefs about fatherhood and marriage can be changed by challenging people too.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Trump: "This was a meeting that was supposed to last ten or fifteen minutes, we were to meet each other, we've never met before. I have great respect [for Obama]. The meeting ended up going on for an hour and a half and as far as I'm concerned it could have gone on a lot longer. We talked about many things, some great things that were achieved here and some difficulties. I very much look forward to dealing with the President in the future, including counsel. It was a very great honour to be with you and I look forward to being with you many times in the future."

I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of it. Really interesting comments.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

They just wrapped up their presser and aren't taking questions. Reporters were yelling out questions. Obama said "we're not taking any questions", then leaned over to Trump and told him, "don't answer any of their questions even if..." and I didn't hear the last part. Apparently, Obama's coaching him.

I listened again, and it was "don't answer any of their questions even if they disturb you."

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Trump: "This was a meeting that was supposed to last ten or fifteen minutes, we were to meet each other, we've never met before. I have great respect [for Obama]. The meeting ended up going on for an hour and a half and as far as I'm concerned it could have gone on a lot longer. We talked about many things, some great things that were achieved here and some difficulties. I very much look forward to dealing with the President in the future, including counsel. It was a very great honour to be with you and I look forward to being with you many times in the future."

I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of it. Really interesting comments.

Signs pointing to President Trump being completely different than Nominee Trump.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Right, automation and technology have always been the biggest reason for declining jobs in America and around the world, not free trade or other boogeymen. Labour intensive jobs are costly when labour is such a big expense. People in America aren't working for $4 an hour, and companies will look to one time expenses like robotics rather than consistently rising employee wages. Pretty much nothing can be done to reverse this. Best case is you make the cost of living much lower so people can survive on $4 an hour. But most people won't make the sacrifices to make it work.

The biggest sacrifice would be from the 1%ers. Millionaires figures out they can be billionaires using the current system and they are the ones with all the political power. In fact, one them is going to be president of the "free" world soon.

[PsYcNeT]

President-Elect Trump would do well to denounce or attempt to quell the bigoted actions being committed in his name if he wants to be better.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think it would be better and different. non-college people can make a lot of money too. some college degrees never get used.

Of course. Some asian men are taller than some white men too, but in general it's the other way around If a store analyzes their customer base and sets the pant lengths they sell based on blocks of consumers, there's nothing wrong with that.

I think you've got the cause and effect flipped. Education isn't used to identify a block because of the education itself, it's used to identify a block because the people behave as a block. They behave as a block because in general they share a set of common concerns. A number of accurate generalities can be made based education or not. If they didn't behave as a block then they wouldn't be identified as one.

No one talks about blocks of red haired voters because they don't have a common set of concerns and don't vote as a block.

[GirlySports]

red haired voters should be concerned about global warming

in generals i just don't like blocks. maybe i don't like polling. We should all be the same.

[zamler]

Of all the things I never thought would happen in 2016 this is #1.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Signs pointing to President Trump being completely different than Nominee Trump.

[Regulator75]

When and if Trump get's impeached or assassinated, it's that religious right wing nut job Pence that America actually needs to fear.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by photon

Of course. Some asian men are taller than some white men too, but in general it's the other way around. If a store analyzes their customer base and sets the pant lengths they sell based on blocks of consumers, there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not disagreeing with your logic here, but you realize that this is also exactly the justification used by many people for racial profiling?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Impeachment is possible, assassination is unlikely. Certainly appears so far that he'll fall in line and play ball. As long as he does that no one will take him out.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Impeachment is possible, assassination is unlikely. Certainly appears so far that he'll fall in line and play ball. As long as he does that no one will take him out.

He could very well die of natural causes in office though. You can't be that orange and/or pink and not having something wrong with you.

Also, it just occurred to me that I would hate to be president. I bet he has to wear pants all the time even at home.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

red haired voters should be concerned about global warming

in generals i just don't like blocks. maybe i don't like polling. We should all be the same.

We should all be treated the same, but when it comes to understanding us and our decisions we're all different.

Models aren't intended to be a judgment about anything, they're just based on observations. It'd be impossible to individually model and predict the actions of 330 million individuals, but if you put the 330 million into larger groups you can model and predict with sufficient accuracy as to be useful.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He could very well die of natural causes in office though. You can't be that orange and/or pink and not having something wrong with you.

Also, it just occurred to me that I would hate to be president. I bet he has to wear pants all the time even at home.

It's makeup or tanning beds.

[nik-]

He'll quit out of boredom long before anything bad happens to him.

[photon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not disagreeing with your logic here, but you realize that this is also exactly the justification used by many people for racial profiling?

For sure. The nature of the actions taken on information is important. In some cases it's merely annoying (tall people have to go to specialty stores to buy pants because stores don't bother carrying ones that fit them), in other cases it goes against a person's rights.