Bernie polled higher with women, poller higher with low income voters, minorities, etc, etc
He was simply the better candidate.
He was also in agreement with Trump on some of his isolationist views, so he may have been able to collect some of those supporters.
Hard to say how it would have turned out.
I do wonder what happens when he pulls out of NAFTA. I didn't like the deal originally, but we are far too invested in it now. Or if he steps away from NATO if every other country doesn't start contributing 2% of their GDP. It could really change the power distribution globally. I expect other more minor powers to pick up the leavings (China, Russia, India, Pakistan, the EU).
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I'm now seeing #buildtheKeystone all over social media and people who were cheering for Trump. I didn't realize I knew that many people in Calgary who were for Trump.
Trump ran his campaign on nothing but identity politics. This campaign was won on identity politics and the statistics prove that in spades.
Yes. Exactly. You reap what you sow. A bunch of white guys saying "So hold on, things are worse for me now than they used to be, I'm struggling just to get by, and you're telling me to check my privilege and that I'm part of a system that's oppressing women, blacks and LGBT people just because of who I am? How about #### you and your self-righteous, smug derision."
To be realistic, though, this is only a small piece of the puzzle. Though given how close these things are, every piece is arguably the "deciding" one.
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Looks like a lot of people have had enough of identity politics. It was the Independants that pushed this victory onto Trump.
The people calling anyone who supported/voted for Trump bigots, racist, sexist, and all the other ists and isms are the reason this happened. Take a bow and take your L.
As noted, Trump's victory was rooted in identity politics.
And no, Trump did not win because people pointed out how Trump was running a campaign that catered to racism, bigotry and sexism. Trump won because - exactly as happened in the UK with Brexit - we all underestimated how pervasive racism, bigotry and sexism still is.
The leave vote in the UK and the Trump vote in the US were both led by two groups: the elderly - who are largely conservative to begin with, who generally wish things were like they used to be and will be dead before the fallout is felt anyway - and the uneducated. Trump outperformed in some other key areas (educated whites being one, I believe), but it was those two groups that really paved the way to victory.
The best part of this is the bought and paid for media having to take a big bite of the **** sandwich they prepared. HuffPo is in full meltdown mode. Looks good on them.
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Gotta give him credit. Hell of a campaign. Play up the bigotry angle to make sure you don't lose the Deep South, then break through the blue wall in the rust belt with the "they took our jerbs" angle. Threaded the needle perfectly.
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What I find hilarious is the people saying they voted for him because he's going to change Washington or is an outsider. You naïve children, what makes you think a billionaire businessman is going to act against his own self interests and enact any sort of change? The rubes that bought into his narrative are never going to see their reward coming. That's how a con works, you don't know it's a con before it's too late.
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Yes. Exactly. You reap what you sow. A bunch of white guys saying "So hold on, things are worse for me now than they used to be, I'm struggling just to get by, and you're telling me to check my privilege and that I'm part of a system that's oppressing women, blacks and LGBT people just because of who I am? How about #### you and your self-righteous, smug derision."
To be realistic, though, this is only a small piece of the puzzle. Though given how close these things are, every piece is arguably the "deciding" one.
Even if things are worse for them, they will never admit it because Fox News will keep telling them it is fine. Plus, all trump has to do is build a wall or deport people, and his supporters will be happy.
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I'm still in shock. Clinton was clearly more experienced, more intelligent, and way more qualified for the job...she had Barack, Michelle, Beyonce, Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and Bruce freakin' Springsteen all stumping for her, and she still lost to Trump. I can't imagine how humiliating this must be for her campaign. Unreal.
I think that this is one of the biggest problems, the day and age of hauling up insiders and Hollywood and music elites on stage to stump for you creates the optics that your captured by the insiders.
A bunch of the wealthiest and most politically connected exchanging high fives on stage might have been the death knell for Hillary who was already facing a voting population that thought she was too inside and had credibility and trust issues. She literally put out the message that nothings going to change and you have to accept that.
Meanwhile Trump who was under assault with the media and Hillary ran tremendously negative ads that took Trumps words and I think almost made them a rebel yell worded against he, I think her own negative attack ads actually did more to galvanize the undecided and the hidden voters then Trumps own ads did.
On top of it there was an institutional arrogance by the Democrats in their strategy where they literally felt that key states that were always democratic were going to stay democratic so they put little effort into retaining them, meanwhile Trump stumped like crazy in those States with a message about America being broken and the elites not listening.
The Democrats are going to see a massive purge of their party, elites like the Clinton's and their "staffs" are going to be shown the door with a hearty "Thanks for your service".
The only hope for America right now is a coalition of some republican's and democrats in the houses to block some of the more radical actions by Trump, but moderates in both parties are going to have to feed each other a rather large sh%% sandwich.
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I'm now seeing #buildtheKeystone all over social media and people who were cheering for Trump. I didn't realize I knew that many people in Calgary who were for Trump.
So long as he doesn't destroy NAFTA (or at least the Canadian part of it) this will more than likely have economic benefits for Alberta and Canada in general.
That said, if he DOES destroy NAFTA... never mind.
Calling a whole group of people stupid doesn't make you much different than Trump who also labels large groups of people.
That's why the most bloodthirsty tyrants are all "left". The whole premise of these people is that "if you disagree with my 'correct/progressive' views, you are a bad person". Then it's but a short step to "let's put all the 'bad' people to death or into 'education' camps".
The biggest thing for me is Trump is so clearly sexist and racist, I can't understand how people want him to represent their country. Mind bottling.
Because deep down, those things don't matter to the silent majority that Trump was able to mobilize.
As Bill Clinton once famously said: "It's the economy stupid". IE: jobs.
Trump told the millions of lower-income, lower-educated white men and women across America that he would return America to greatness and get them jobs. He didn't campaign on any moral issues unless absolutely necessary to stoke that portion of the base. In fact, every single move and scandal established that he was a bigot but people ultimately didn't care. They responded to the message about returning the American economy to the supposed greatness that was stolen from them. If that means further setting back race relations and sexual equality? He doesn't care. His voters don't care. They just felt they were marginalized and being forgotten in an increasingly PC and liberal atmosphere where the topic of conversation was almost always not on them. Democracy is the rule of the mob in many cases and the mob wants their jobs and perhaps passively agreed with Trump on the inside anyway. There were many times I read defenses of Trump where the average Trump voter said: "he's an Alpha male, he's supposed to be aggressive toward women", etc. Deep down in our genes, I think we still respond to that somehow.
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Trump ran his campaign on nothing but identity politics. This campaign was won on identity politics and the statistics prove that in spades.
They don't prove that though. He attracted roughly the same number of white voters as Romney did. Trump performed like the typical republican who wins the presidency.
Massachusetts and Nevada voted to legalize marijuana, and a bunch of states voted to increase minimum wage. I honestly didn't know people could vote for these kinds of things in the presidential election.
Because deep down, those things don't matter to the silent majority that Trump was able to mobilize.
As Bill Clinton once famously said: "It's the economy stupid". IE: jobs.
Trump told the millions of lower-income, lower-educated white men and women across America that he would return America to greatness and get them jobs. He didn't campaign on any moral issues unless absolutely necessary to stoke that portion of the base. In fact, every single move and scandal established that he was a bigot but people ultimately didn't care. They responded to the message about returning the American economy to the supposed greatness that was stolen from them. If that means further setting back race relations and sexual equality? He doesn't care. His voters don't care.
What good is equality if you are all equally poor.
