[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The way people talk, I just assumed that taxes were better everywhere in the U.S. compared to anywhere in Canada. I guess not.

It is generally true. He is paying less tax in Columbus.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So no matter what secrets a player has Treliving has to know. If Johnny repeatedly says I want to stay as long as you pay me decently” Treliving has to know that’s a lie?

Or he could have set a firm deadline to get a deal done based on the need to plan around it.

He could have made the alleged offer that was apparently going to get it done before the last hour so if it didn't get done he could have had room to plan around it.

It's okay to learn from other people's mistakes and should have seen Tavares situation playing out very similarly and planned accordingly until ink was on paper.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or he could have set a firm deadline to get a deal done based on the need to plan around it.

What should that deadline have been, and why would Gaudreau or Gross have felt any reason to take it seriously?

[bossy22]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or he could have set a firm deadline to get a deal done based on the need to plan around it.

He could have made the alleged offer that was apparently going to get it done before the last hour so if it didn't get done he could have had room to plan around it.

It's okay to learn from other people's mistakes and should have seen Tavares situation playing out very similarly and planned accordingly until ink was on paper.

This is what I don't understand. It's up to the GM to get this done. The GM can put forth an offer with a deadline to accept. If it's not accepted you move on. I don't fault Gaudreau at all. In the end he's going to do what he feels is best for his family. If that means Columbus, great. He doesn't owe the flames or the fans anything. But the GM does. It's his job to either sign the player or get something in return. He failed. To me, letting it go to the 11th hour is on Treleving. It should never get that far.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TheChief

^ yes. Thats what his job is. Sounds like he didn't know Johnny.

I’m willing to bet this was a shock for the players as well. No way Treliving is going to know what Johnny was thinking.
Adding to that, I actually do believe it was a very hard decision for Gaudreau. Had he married my wife, they’d still be in Calgary.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or he could have set a firm deadline to get a deal done based on the need to plan around it.

He could have made the alleged offer that was apparently going to get it done before the last hour so if it didn't get done he could have had room to plan around it.

It's okay to learn from other people's mistakes and should have seen Tavares situation playing out very similarly and planned accordingly until ink was on paper.

LOL, when’s your deadline? Jul1 2021? And then what? Trade a LW who scored .83 PPG over the previous two seasons as a rental? Because he wouldn’t commit a year early? To whom and for what?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bossy22

This is what I don't understand. It's up to the GM to get this done. The GM can put forth an offer with a deadline to accept. If it's not accepted you move on. I don't fault Gaudreau at all. In the end he's going to do what he feels is best for his family. If that means Columbus, great. He doesn't owe the flames or the fans anything. But the GM does. It's his job to either sign the player or get something in return. He failed. To me, letting it go to the 11th hour is on Treleving. It should never get that far.

Lay out how he should have known, what the deadline was and what happens if it’s not met.

Then contrast that with what Gaudreau was saying at that time, and the fact he continued to negotiate the whole time. Why should Treliving have no confidence in signing him.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by bossy22

This is what I don't understand. It's up to the GM to get this done. The GM can put forth an offer with a deadline to accept. If it's not accepted you move on. I don't fault Gaudreau at all. In the end he's going to do what he feels is best for his family. If that means Columbus, great. He doesn't owe the flames or the fans anything. But the GM does. It's his job to either sign the player or get something in return. He failed. To me, letting it go to the 11th hour is on Treleving. It should never get that far.

Well typically when a take it or leave it ultimatum is matched, the issuer doesn't just walk away.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What should that deadline have been, and why would Gaudreau or Gross have felt any reason to take it seriously?

Whatever was needed to secure "Plan B." Whatever that may have been or is.

And if Gaudreau's camp isn't taking negotiations seriously, well better to find out then rather than 2 hours before midnight. Isn't them not taking it seriously why they got to where they were?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Whatever was needed to secure "Plan B." Whatever that may have been or is.

In other words, you don't know, and you're just blowing hot air. You just want to blame Treliving, without even being clear about what you are blaming him for or what he should have done differently.

Thanks for admitting that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Whatever was needed to secure "Plan B." Whatever that may have been or is.

And if Gaudreau's camp isn't taking negotiations seriously, well better to find out then rather than 2 hours before midnight. Isn't them not taking it seriously why they got to where they were?

If they weren’t taking it seriously why did they give a 10.5M number to the flames? And how exactly were the Flames supposed to know this?

[Jaydee]

I will never dislike a player more than I do John Gaudreau. He smells worse than the oilers

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

I will never dislike a player more than I do John Gaudreau. He smells worse than the oilers

I've actually come all the way around.

I dont hate him anymore, if anything I pity him. He's going to spend the rest of his career toiling away in Ohio.

What a sad end to such a promising career.

[activeStick]

Yeah, at first I was pretty upset because I know he's a big part of the Flames. Then when I found out it was Columbus, I was confused and for some reason wasn't as upset. After seeing the interview with Tim, I believe he genuinely didn't mean to screw the Flames, even though he did. Don't hate him. Wish him the best unless it's against the Flames.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In other words, you don't know, and you're just blowing hot air. You just want to blame Treliving, without even being clear about what you are blaming him for or what he should have done differently.

Thanks for admitting that.

Yes bud, I'm admitting that I'm not a general manager of the NHL. Cool. I also think general managers of the NHL shouldn't be in a position where they lose their assets for nothing based on some vague commitment that was never remotely binding and don't have a Plan B in place should they allow it to happen.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The fact CP is on a first name basis with Johnny’s wife is creepy in and of itself.

Agreed. It's also weird that he names her in interviews. I wish the curtain between professional players and fans remained. Learning your on ice hero is a dick in real life sucks (not necessarily a reference to Gaudreau).

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Yes bud, I'm admitting that I'm not a general manager of the NHL. Cool.

Right. But you still believe you know enough to tell NHL general managers how to do their jobs. Then, when pressed for the details that every actual GM has to deal with, you play dumb and say you're just a fan.

There's a cute phrase to describe this trick: ‘Clown nose on, clown nose off.’ It doesn't fool anybody; you're still the guy with the clown nose.

I also think general managers of the NHL shouldn't be in a position where they lose their assets for nothing based on some vague commitment that was never remotely binding.

There was never even a vague commitment. Every player goes to UFA sooner or later, and a significant number of them choose to change teams. Whenever that happens, some GM is going to ‘lose assets for nothing’. It's the nature of the business.

This week, the Columbus Blue Jackets signed Johnny Gaudreau. Three years ago, the same Blue Jackets lost Artemi Panarin for nothing. Should Kekäläinen have been fired for that?

[Flames_Gimp]

prime years of his career and he leaves a winning team and essentially bets the rest of his career on Columbus? like he's going to get a sniff of the cup there!

Now we know why he sucks in the playpffs...he doesn't want to win a cup!

can't wait til we play columbus at home!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

His job is to read the minds of all the people who work for him?

Please list all the NHL GMs who have telepathy. Or, for that matter, any human being who has telepathy.

You don't need telepathy to see that you are going into the final season of your franchise player's contract. You need a calendar.

You don't need telepathy to know that a player's family has been pulling him in another direction. You just need to be paying attention.

You don't need telepathy to see that for over the past year, the player isn't into negotiating or is stalling. You just need intuition. A player can say whatever he wants, but it is up to the GM to believe it based on the other signals they are sending.

[midniteowl]

I was mad when he turned down a very good offer from the Flames, I got more mad when I learned that he game the ultimatum that this is the dollars amount or I'm walking, then the mad level went up a few notches after I've learned Flames matched and he went radio silence and then last hours and tell the Flames he is not coming back.


Then saw it on Twitter that he is signing with Columbus, with less money. Then I reached a toxic level of mad. Then slept on that, next day, I figured, he will never ever win a Cup with the Blue Jackets, and he will be lucky if he makes it to playoff over there. All the mad's turn into amusements. He left boat load of money and chances of going deep into playoff on the table. I find myself smiling.