Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[shutout]

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/wp-...0-Rankings.pdf

Dont remember see this scouting site posted.
Apologies if it is a duplicate.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You are focusing too much on their stats without considering what level they are playing at. You can't compare the numbers of somebody playing junior hockey against 17, 18, and 19 year olds to someone playing in Sweden or Russia against pro hockey players of various players. That's just silly.

Watch them play, read about their game or put their stats into context. And frankly it's silly to judge them strictly on numbers even if you do put them into the proper context.

I get a charge out of how some of you think you're the only ones who research players. I've done it, decided who I like and made my choices known. What I don't need is a bunch of "know it alls" telling me I'm full of it. I spent many years involved in hockey. I've coached players who were drafted. Regardless of whether you think I'm right or not I've made my picks. I'll live with my decisions. Time will tell.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

His elite talents won't help the Flames if he's using them in the KHL.

And what makes you think that he'd be using them in the KHL? Ovechkin doesn't, Malkin doesn't, Gonchar doesn't, Tarachenko, friggin' Babchuk? Even Radulov came over initially. The whole Russian thing strikes me as paranoia with little rooting in fact. The only guys I see opting not to go to the NHL are guys that might be looking at an extended stay in the AHL (where they actually will make more money in the KHL), anyone else is going to choose the NHL over the KHL. More money and better planes.

If the guy is indifferent to playing in the NHL by all means don't draft him but if he's not and character evaluations all come back good and he's the best player on the board when the Flames pick then they need to pick him. The Flames aren't in position to pass on elite talent if it's theirs for the taking.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by shutout

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/wp-...0-Rankings.pdf

Dont remember see this scouting site posted.
Apologies if it is a duplicate.

Interesting that Nichushkin is listed as RW again. If he does come over to the NHL he is going to be a frightening sight, flying down the off-wing. That goal where he turns on the after-burners to fly by one of the Ryan Murphys then cuts inside and nutmegs Subban is one of the most impressive junior goals I've seen.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Parallex

And what makes you think that he'd be using them in the KHL? Ovechkin doesn't, Malkin doesn't, Gonchar doesn't, Tarachenko, friggin' Babchuk? Even Radulov came over initially. The whole Russian thing strikes me as paranoia with little rooting in fact. The only guys I see opting not to go to the NHL are guys that might be looking at an extended stay in the AHL (where they actually will make more money in the KHL), anyone else is going to choose the NHL over the KHL. More money and better planes.

If the guy is indifferent to playing in the NHL by all means don't draft him but if he's not and character evaluations all come back good and he's the best player on the board when the Flames pick then they need to pick him. The Flames aren't in position to pass on elite talent if it's theirs for the taking.

Kuznetsov is doing it right now. The St. Louis pick sure ... even packaging the St. Louis pick with the Pitts pick to move up to take him, sure. Using a top 5-7 pick to take him, no way. This franchise can't afford the risk.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by nik-

Kuznetsov is doing it right now. The St. Louis pick sure ... even packaging the St. Louis pick with the Pitts pick to move up to take him, sure. Using a top 5-7 pick to take him, no way. This franchise can't afford the risk.

I don't think we can afford to risk passing on an elite talent if they're still available.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haven't really read up much on Hagg. He does sound like yet another solid young Swedish Dman with top 4 potential, and prototypical of the type of Dman that can succeed in today's NHL. Smart, mobile, decent size, moves the puck well, and is capable of providing offense from the back end. Sounds like another solid option as well. The other guys I listed though, are complete monsters physically, compared to Hagg.

Size and physicality isn't always the winning combo.

Matt Pelech- 6'4, 220.
Joe Finley- 6'8, 247.
Matt Niskanen- 6'0, 200.
Vladimir Mihalik- 6'7, 240.

Hind sight always being easy, I know which of those Dmen I would have taken in the 05 draft.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I don't think we can afford to risk passing on an elite talent if they're still available.

This is the only scenario I see us picking Nichushkin (& CP not imploding on itself):

With the lottery pick we select a safer option (Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan) and then we package the St Louis & Pitts picks to move into the top 10 to pick 'Shkinner.

I would be over the moon with that result. Minimise risk with the first selection, swing for the fences with the second.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

Size and physicality isn't always the winning combo.

Matt Pelech- 6'4, 220.
Joe Finley- 6'8, 247.
Matt Niskanen- 6'0, 200.
Vladimir Mihalik- 6'7, 240.

Hind sight always being easy, I know which of those Dmen I would have taken in the 05 draft.

It's not just the size and physicality that I covet in those Dmen, its just the icing on the cake as they also have mobility, smarts, puck moving acumen and a two way game.

If you have two Dmen will all those traits being relatively equal, then I take the bigger, meaner guy every time.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

This is the only scenario I see us picking Nichushkin (& CP not imploding on itself):

With the lottery pick we select a safer option (Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan) and then we package the St Louis & Pitts picks to move into the top 10 to pick 'Shkinner.

I would be over the moon with that result. Minimise risk with the first selection, swing for the fences with the second.

I would support this.

If he falls outside of the top 10, I think we should seriously consider it. Late 1sts are a long shot anyway. Why not use them to trade up on a potential homerun?

[albertGQ]

Is Max, Sam and Griffen Reinhart all brothers?

[AC]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Is Max, Sam and Griffen Reinhart all brothers?

Yes they is.

[djsFlames]

If they land in the 6-7 range with that first pick, they should explore all possibilities to trade up. We have the means, if one of these tankers are willing to partner up. Even if we should have been in the top 4 to begin with.. I think it's important to walk out of this draft with a franchise player, and no less. Lindholm and Monahan look great, but they're far less of a lock than the guys above them.

[MikaelBacklund]

If we can't get any of the big 3, I'd really love the flames to pick Lindholm. Think he's got a high potential, plus I think he's physically ready to step next year.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by MikaelBacklund

If we can't get any of the big 3, I'd really love the flames to pick Lindholm. Think he's got a high potential, plus I think he's physically ready to step next year.

If we can't get the big 4 (I'm including Barkov), I want the Flames to go for Lindholm or Nishuchkin.

I really don't want Monahan.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

If we can't get the big 4 (I'm including Barkov), I want the Flames to go for Lindholm or Nishuchkin.

I really don't want Monahan.

It's looking like we'd be lucky to get Nurse. Brutal - hopes dashed.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It's looking like we'd be lucky to get Nurse. Brutal - hopes dashed.

Still a long way to go.

Leland Irving is being brought up to save our Draft hopes!

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Still a long way to go.

Leland Irving is being brought up to save our Draft hopes!

Watch him go 3-0-1 with 2 SO's as he sails into UFA...

[really?]

Glad to see the youth on this squad step up and help win games. Once the stench of losing permeates a squad it doesn't leave barring a culture change, an oil change won't do it.

At worst the Flames probably draft 7th and get one of Lindholm or Monahan. That's probably exactly what the Flames need a two way centre capable of developing into a responsible #1. The Halifax guys may ooze skills, but not sure they're much more than Taylor Hall, and while that's not a bad thing, it's not a generational talent. A player with a skill, grit, compete package would be nice, and would compliment the youth presently on the roster and in the pipeline.

[Ashasx]

I'm just hoping for Lindholm at this point.

Hopefully this draft is more like 2003, where the best players weren't picked in the top 5.