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Old 04-11-2013, 10:23 AM   #1101
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That's nice in theory but if either of the other teams preceive the value of the big three as relatively equivalent they have no incentive to trade and it presumes that the Flames will have the first pick (for which there is a maximum 25% chance which assumes that the Flames finish dead last in the league... hell if we finish third we still only have a 57% chance of drafting 3rd or better).
Flordia and Avs have a ton of current young NHL talent and prospects already at forward positions. Even if all 3 are equal, I could see both teams targeting a D as its their greatest need.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:37 AM   #1102
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Third or fourth round pick opportunity is another small guy like Gaudreau.

#62 - Taylor Cammarata - 90 pts in 57 games but is only 5'7"
good gamble to add skill to the organization depth
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:45 AM   #1103
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Flordia and Avs have a ton of current young NHL talent and prospects already at forward positions. Even if all 3 are equal, I could see both teams targeting a D as its their greatest need.
True, but I'd have said the same thing of the Oilers last year but they went and picked Yakupov anyways.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:52 AM   #1104
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Flordia and Avs have a ton of current young NHL talent and prospects already at forward positions. Even if all 3 are equal, I could see both teams targeting a D as its their greatest need.
Florida seems better set to me at defence with Kulikov and Gudbranson than forward. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them take MacKinnon at #2.

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Old 04-11-2013, 11:01 AM   #1105
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I know it is exciting, in this forum ,as it should be, to look at the draft and give views and expectations but I really hope, on draft day, the scouts are decided on the best player available and take him.

The team has too many holes to be looking at what have been the problems in the past.

If Jones is the best player in their opinion, you have to take him if you have the opportunity.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...site-Draft2013


1. Seth Jones
2012-13: 61 games, 14 goals, 42 assists, 56 points, 4 power-play goals, 33 penalty minutes, plus-46 rating

Comparison: "I don't think I play like any specific player in the NHL. I tried to model my game after Nicklas Lidstrom growing up."

Best asset: "I pride myself on my skating abilities, a good shot and can move the puck up the ice quickly."

Where do you need improvement: "I can always work on my lateral movement in corners and tight areas and always making quicker decisions with the puck."

NHL Central Scouting notes that Seth Jones, projected by many to be the top pick in the 2013 Draft, has a rare combination of size, skating ability and hockey IQ. (Photo: Bryan Heim - Portland Winterhawks)
NHL Central Scouting: "A player with the package of Seth Jones, with his size, skating ability and smarts, doesn't come along very often," Central Scouting's Peter Sullivan told NHL.com. "After his first year in the league this year, he just showed improvement over what he did with the U.S. National Team Development Program the previous season. He skates as well as anyone in the league and is smart. He has all the potential needed to become one of the top D-men in the NHL someday."

2. Nathan MacKinnon, C, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)

2012-13: 44 games, 32 goals, 43 assists, 75 points, 10 power-play goals, 2 shorthanded goals, 45 penalty minutes, plus-40 rating

Comparison: "Not sure. Tough to say, but I am a skilled forward with grit."

Best asset: "Skating."

Where do you need improvement: "Faceoffs."

NHL Central Scouting: "I think MacKinnon could be another [Steven] Stamkos," Central Scouting's B.J. MacDonald said. "I see that style and tenacity in his game, his intensity around the puck. He wants to be the guy making a difference in the game, in the last minute. Whether they win or lose it, he wants to be that guy who makes that decision. It takes a special player to be like that. And from the games I've seen, he has that type of quality."

3. Jonathan Drouin, LW, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)

2012-13: 49 games, 41 goals, 64 assists, 105 points, 7 power-play goals, 4 shorthanded goals, 32 penalty minutes, plus-48 rating

Comparison: Claude Giroux

Best asset: "My vision, hockey IQ and quickness."

Where do you need improvement: "In my defensive zone."

NHL Central Scouting: "It's been a long time since I've seen a player with this many skills," Central Scouting's Chris Bordeleau said. "I'm not saying a [Sidney] Crosby, but his quickness and hands, I don't think anyone has seen that in a long time. His peripheral vision and doing the things he does … he's just a natural talent. There are no systems for guys like that; you just put them on the ice and let them play. He's proved it all winter and almost won the scoring title despite playing in fewer games."

4. Sean Monahan, C, Ottawa 67's (OHL)

2012-13: 58 games, 31 goals, 47 assists, 78 points, 15 power-play goals, 24 penalty minutes, minus-18 rating

Comparison: "Jonathan Toews because he's a leader, he steps up, is serious and plays the whole 200 feet of the ice."

Best asset: "My ability to create turnovers and turn it into offense; to lead by example and step up. My defensive play in all areas of the ice, and I'm also good at making plays and creating room."

Where do you need improvement: "I need to become faster and stronger on my feet, as well as improve my shooting while skating."

NHL Central Scouting: "I think Sean is pretty accurate with his self-assessments," Central Scouting's Chris Edwards said. "Leadership-wise … Ottawa had such a bad season and most of the time when we went down there he was the only guy generating anything. I don't think his skating is an issue, but that's an area every player always wants to improve, so it doesn't surprise me that he would want to improve even more. Anytime you can get a guy with that type of play-making ability, puck-handling, smarts and that type of creativity on the power play, you'd be happy to get a guy like that."

5. Hunter Shinkaruk, C/LW, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)

2012-13: 64 games, 37 goals, 49 assists, 86 points, 14 power-play goals, 44 penalty minutes, minus-13 rating

Comparison: "Sidney Crosby … we compete and have a great skill set."

Best asset: "I have great hands, am creative and battle hard. I am a good skater, am explosive, have a good shot and am a leader."

Where do you need improvement: "I need to get stronger."

NHL Central Scouting: "He can lift you out of your seats, and not too many players can do that," Sullivan said. "I think because he wasn't surrounded as he was last year with his good linemates, he struggled at the start, but his center Curtis Valk [No. 123 on midterm list] this year has really played well. That's what Hunter needed to be effective and take the pressure off. Hunter is a lot like his teammate last year, Emerson Etem. After Medicine Hat's series with Saskatoon, the local papers said the Blades' defense was taken to the hospital with whiplash after having to deal with him. I think the kid has the most potential of any projected first-round prospect. If he goes to an even better team [in the draft], that will make it even easier for him to make the transition."

Top-ranked North American goaltender Zachary Fucale is compared to Cam Ward in this assessment by NHL Central Scouting. (Photo: David Chan)
Top North American goalie: Zachary Fucale, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)

2012-13: 55 games, 45-5-3, 2.35 GAA, .909 save percentage, 2 shutouts, 1,356 shots, 1,232 saves

Comparison: "I like to think I can be a mix of Carey Price and Henrik Lundqvist."

Best asset: "Staying calm and not moving when I don't need to. Being efficient in my movements and showing patience."

Where do you need improvement: "I think I need to improve in every part of my game."

NHL Central Scouting: "The first time I saw Zach, I thought 'Cam Ward,'" Central Scouting's Al Jensen told NHL.com. "He plays big in the net, whether standing up or in the butterfly. He keeps his body upright and he always gives himself a chance to stop the puck because he has good body control in the net and is poised. Net coverage in the NHL is so crucial, and he's got that and is way ahead of the other goalies in this draft."

Top European skater: Aleksander Barkov, C, Tappara (FIN)

2012-13: 53 games, 21 goals, 27 assists, 48 points, 8 penalty minutes, plus-18 rating

Comparison: "Mikko Koivu."

Best asset: "My passing and field vision."

Where do you need improvement: "Skating and reaction speed."

NHL Central Scouting: "He was one of the reasons why Tappara finished second in the league," Director of European Scouting Goran Stubb told NHL.com. "Just consistent, cool, smart two-way center. An injured shoulder will keep him out the remainder of the season, but that won't hurt his high draft status. He's not a great skater, but always seems to be in the right spot at the right time. He's a very good stick-handler with great vision."

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Old 04-11-2013, 11:11 AM   #1107
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Best case scenario is the following. Flames are 1st overall, trade down to #2 and get a 2nd round asset. Flames then trade down to 3rd overall and get another 2nd round asset. So essentially a top 3 prospect plus 2 high 2nd round picks.
That would be the best possible scenario assuming that both trades has the condition saying "You will not pick MacKinnon". However, I do not see why you would get to make that second trade.

The first trade would happen because both the Panthers and Avs want Jones and they would know that whoever does not make the trade to get Jones will likely lose him to the other team.

Once Jones if off the board though, I do not see the second trade happening. At that point the Flames should just take MacKinnon and be satisfied.
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I know it is exciting, in this forum ,as it should be, to look at the draft and give views and expectations but I really hope, on draft day, the scouts are decided on the best player available and take him.

The team has too many holes to be looking at what have been the problems in the past.

If Jones is the best player in their opinion, you have to take him if you have the opportunity.
I think you need to do your due diligence and at the very least see what sort of packages people will offer you for Jones (if the Flames get the 1st pick). Especially in a draft like this. The potential to pick up more assets while still getting a huge blue chip prospect. Obviously you only make the move if they blow you out of the water (switching picks to stay in the top three or four while picking up a multiple picks this and/or next year).
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True, but I'd have said the same thing of the Oilers last year but they went and picked Yakupov anyways.
He was the top rated guy, This year the d-man is the top rated guy

on thing though, if you made a trade with either of these teams there is no guarantee they leave the guy you want
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:18 AM   #1110
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Thanks for that link, GoFlamesGo, some nice insight there of all those players.

Hunter Shinkaruk sure thinks highly of himself.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #1111
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Anyone hear Feaster this morning on the Fan?

- Doing all their due dilligence on the top four-five consensus picks. Will be analyzing characters of each player, etc.
- Bottom picks are critical as well, given there could be some hidden gems as well.
- Could not confirm - nor deny - they were pursuing Drew Leblanc and Antoine Langierre (due to confidentiality reasons). Said they were great prospects, spoke very highly of them.

I'm sure there's more, I just caught the last half.
"i had my assisntant GM john weisbroad, who was in Ottawa scouting catch a flight..."

Ottawa scouting eh?

scouting 7. Sean Monahan 7 Ottawa (OHL) Oct. 12/94 C L 6'2/186 58 31 47 78????????
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"i had my assisntant GM john weisbroad, who was in Ottawa scouting catch a flight..."

Ottawa scouting eh?

scouting 7. Sean Monahan 7 Ottawa (OHL) Oct. 12/94 C L 6'2/186 58 31 47 78????????

I doubt he was scouting a guy who's team isn't playing right now
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"i had my assisntant GM john weisbroad, who was in Ottawa scouting catch a flight..."

Ottawa scouting eh?

scouting 7. Sean Monahan 7 Ottawa (OHL) Oct. 12/94 C L 6'2/186 58 31 47 78????????
their season is over; didn't make the OHL playoffs

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Old 04-11-2013, 11:27 AM   #1114
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I doubt he was scouting a guy who's team isn't playing right now

not much of a gumshoe it turns out

who could it be then?
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more likely he was across the river in Gatineau watching the Halifax Mooseheads; I hear they have a couple decent players
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I am sure Weisbrod is going to be one busy guy for the next six weeks going around and checking out all the top ranked prospects.

Quick Question though. Are scouts or AGMs allowed to speak to players right now or is there a pre-determined time in which they can approach these players?
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I am sure Weisbrod is going to be one busy guy for the next six weeks going around and checking out all the top ranked prospects.

Quick Question though. Are scouts or AGMs allowed to speak to players right now or is there a pre-determined time in which they can approach these players?
Anytime. Etiquette dictates that they get permission from the coach.
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Now that I've thought about it more, I would love to get Drouin and Mahonen.

Very unlikely but that's my dream list
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I am sure Weisbrod is going to be one busy guy for the next six weeks going around and checking out all the top ranked prospects.

Quick Question though. Are scouts or AGMs allowed to speak to players right now or is there a pre-determined time in which they can approach these players?
Aren't most of their seasons over at this point?

I would imagine they'll be spedning most of their time watching video, reading reports from scouts during the season, and prepping for the combine, when you can interview them all anyway.
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more likely he was across the river in Gatineau watching the Halifax Mooseheads; I hear they have a couple decent players



Hopefully he saw Mackinnon in this game. What a beast.

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