Ukraine Presidential Crackdown Violence. Russia Invades Ukraine

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

That oblost was in the middle of Siberia and had more in common with an open air prison camp.

Ethnic nationalism is back in a big way in Russia. And it's not just Jews who are the victims. Very ironic that there are so many neoNazis in Eastern Europe. Hitler viewed Slavs and Russians as genetically inferior and fit for slave labour followed by extermination. These people need a history lesson.

A lot of neo-Nazis actually consider Hitler to be a race traitor though because most of the people he killed were white.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A lot of neo-Nazis actually consider Hitler to be a race traitor though because most of the people he killed were white.

Really?

[Bill Bumface]

I was talking to my sister about this today, and it's amazing how quickly history lessons are forgotten.

You could have someone show up on Earth for the very first time today, and show them the registration notice. They might say "hmm... some kind of census, weird you have to pay a fee though.."

Then you give them a computer and 20 minutes on Wikipedia. They would immediately come to the conclusion of "Dear lord that is a horrible idea! Stop them immediately!"

Yet people who grew up in regions where this history all took place, and some of them were even alive for it, yet here we are. So brutal.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Really?

Yes. I don't want to post links to such Sites because the material is extremely offensive, but I have visited them in the past because of an academic curiosity on some peripheral issues, and it seems like a lot of neo-Nazis these days feel that Hitler is an anti-unifying figure for their cause and creates too much white-on-white hate.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yes. I don't want to post links to such Sites because the material is extremely offensive, but I have visited them in the past because of an academic curiosity on some peripheral issues, and it seems like a lot of neo-Nazis these days feel that Hitler is an anti-unifying figure for their cause and creates too much white-on-white hate.

The image of Hitler being detrimental to their cause and "a lot" of them thinking he's a race traitor seem like two different things.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nik-

The image of Hitler being detrimental to their cause and "a lot" of them thinking he's a race traitor seem like two different things.

Not really, just maybe hyperbolic to make point.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A lot of neo-Nazis actually consider Hitler to be a race traitoEuropeansr though because most of the people he killed were white.

Obviously off topic, but the neo-Nazi movement is pretty diverse.

Some purists only consider Protestant Northwestern Europeans white. Others include eastern Europeans, southern Europeans, Catholics, etc...

On both sides of the conflict at issue ethnic nationalists have taken large roles. Even before the violence broke out, ethnic nationalist parties were being elected to government.

[Thor]

Snopes to the rescue, sort of.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ukraine.asp

[FlameOn]

In an interview today Russian President Putin says he may invade Ukraine to 'protect' locals from the Ukrainian government. Like lots of people predicted, seems like this has been the game plan all along.

“We know quite well that we must do our best to protect their rights and help them independently decide their fate and we will struggle for that,” Putin said. “I remind you that the Federation Council of Russia [the upper house of Parliament] empowered the president to use the armed forces in Ukraine.”

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...#axzz2z9Ujnu5j

In the same interview. Putin says have no plans to invade the former Russian territory of Alaska because it is too cold

In a bizarre moment of humor (we hope), Putin was asked if he had any plans to "acquire Alaska," the 49th US state. "What would you need Alaska for?" Putin asked, reminding viewers that even though Russia had sold off Alaska on the cheap back in the 19th century, the region was too cold for his liking. "We live in a northern country, 70 percent of our territory is in the north," Putin said. "Alaska's also the north. So let's not get excited." Phew.

http://mashable.com/2014/04/17/world-putin-ukraine/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...invade-alaska/

[PIMking]

NM ... IT was about the registering of Jewish people.

[FlamesAddiction]

Gun battle leaves 3 people dead. The Russians are blaming a Ukrainian group of course, the Ukrainians are saying the Russians were behind the attack.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine...tack-1.2615959

[Byrns]

I'm surprised it took this long...


https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...50110294253568

[CaptainCrunch]

I heard about that this morning. I would assume that we'll see a CNN special as it follows the navy seals rescue mission.

Followed by 36 hours of un interrupted interviews, highlight tapes in slow motion and a special appearance by the NFL at the half discussion panel.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Byrns

I'm surprised it took this long...


https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...50110294253568

sheeeet, I have really been enjoying his stuff.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

sheeeet, I have really been enjoying his stuff.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine...tive-1.2618775

[FlameOn]

Ex-CEO of Vkontakte (Russia's equivalent of Facebook), Pavel Durov, has fled to country after a hostile takeover of his company by Putin backed Oligarchs. It is now effectively under Kremlin control. This if following months of intense pressure by the Kremlin to censor posts consider critical of Putin and his allies.

In a post on his profile page on Monday, Durov explained that he was fired from his position as CEO of VK and that the so-called “Russian Facebook” is now “under the complete control” of two oligarchs close to President Vladimir Putin.

Durov explained that after seven years of relative social media freedom in Russia, his refusal to share user data with Russian law enforcement has set him at odds with the Kremlin, which has recently been trying to tighten its grip on the Internet, according to The Moscow Times.

VK’s former CEO says that despite his multiple refusals of Kremlin requests to censor his site in a similar fashion to how it filters print and TV news, the site—which boasts 143 million registered users globally, 88 million of whom are based in Russia—is now effectively under state control.

Source

Time's reporter has been released while the Vice reporter remains a prisoner.
http://time.com/73522/time-vice-jour...ained-ukraine/

Russia's airforce basically had a field day today and violated everyone's airspace in Europe by flying bombers into the Netherlands, Denmark, Scotland, Sweden. Not helping tensions in the area, the US deployed a paratrooper unit of 600 to Poland. To make matters worse Russia continues it's military exercises on the Eastern border of Ukraine threatening that if its forces are ever attacked, it will respond with military action

Russia continued Wednesday to ratchet up pressure on the government in Kiev, warning that events in eastern Ukraine could prompt a military response and again accusing the United States of directing events there.

“If we are attacked, we would certainly respond,” Sergey V. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said in an interview with the Kremlin’s satellite news network, Russia Today, or RT. The network’s website published a short excerpt from the interview, which was scheduled to be broadcast later Wednesday.

Photo of exercise

Spoiler!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/wo...n=MB%204.23.14
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/world/...html?sr=reddit
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...Name=worldNews
http://www.thelocal.se/20140422/swed...counter-russia
http://time.com/72595/russia-ukraine...ates-military/

Moscow has also appointed a new prosecutor general Natalia Poklonskaya to the Crimea. Natalia Poklonskaya. She is being placed on Ukraine's wanted list on charges of betraying her country.

The Ukrainian National Service for Security and Defense involves her largely for Crimea's recent move. Ukraine has even gone as far as putting Natalia on its most wanted list. She was charged and accused of leading the overthrow of constitutional order in the Ukraine government. In Ukraine's Interior Ministry Web site, she was also accused of organizing a coup.

Prosecutors wanted mugshot

Spoiler!

Edit: I got depressed posting too much serious news.

[jofillips]

wow reports on BBC that Russia is 'pushing' international boundaries; Russian fighters and ships have been turned away from British, Danish and Dutch air/seas.
Sure hope the great white north and the Pacific are being properly patrolled and monitored right now...

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jofillips

wow reports on BBC that Russia is 'pushing' international boundaries; Russian fighters and ships have been turned away from British, Danish and Dutch air/seas.
Sure hope the great white north and the Pacific are being properly patrolled and monitored right now...

Not an odd thing to be honest. The Russians have been doing this for years and years.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by jofillips

wow reports on BBC that Russia is 'pushing' international boundaries; Russian fighters and ships have been turned away from British, Danish and Dutch air/seas.
Sure hope the great white north and the Pacific are being properly patrolled and monitored right now...

that happens a lot, from what I saw yesterday it was a pair of Russian TU-95 Bears I think and a anti-submarine destroyer.

Canada gets a lot of those northern encroachments by the Bears every year, the bottom line is that the Bear bombers aren't really bombers anymore, they're used for electronic surveys, in other words they're basically mapping Britain's air defense radar network and the characteristics of their air borne systems. The Destroyer is a little more troubling, but the Russian's are waiving their stick now. With the violence on the upswing in the Ukraine and several Russian Nationalists getting killed by Ukraine security forces, I've been surprised that the Russians haven't already pushed in more forces.

In terms of other developments.

Putin talked pretty tough yesterday he called the Ukraine response criminal and threatened unspecified consequences

Russia announced Military exercises in their Southern and Western Military districts in direct response to the crisis in the Ukraine. Sometimes Military exercise means increase tempo and alert status.

Obama threatened more sanctions, but basically stated that he didn't think that Putin would care too much about that.

Russia and China relations seem to be warming up due to Ukraine as well. From reading some stories on it, the Chinese turned down an American request to impose sanctions on Russia, as well it sounds like negotiations for the Russian's to sell more natural gas to the Chinese through Gazpro at a discount, China also wants to build a pipeline into Russia to expedite the process. If this deal is signed Russia basically is in a stronger position in terms of sanctions against their energy exports.

[Ozy_Flame]

This mid-life crisis Putin is going through is one for the history books.