It's hard to get excited about Nylander given his fathers history here. Just don't see the appeal in a soft skilled winger, especially if you have players like McLeod Dubois and to a lesser extent gauthier on the board. Would even go for one of the d over Nylander.
Future considerations seems to have the best top 12 from what I've seen compared with Mckeens and iss. Would be interested in your top 10 as per your handle, you seem to be on top of things
Well it sounds like he has a touch more jam to his game than his father. Scouting reports say he fights through checking along the boards. It appears he will end up bigger than his brother as well, he's taller than William. If the Flames think he's soft then I doubt they'd have him super high, I know Redline Report has him 10th right now.
It's hard to differentiate guys I haven't seen or haven't seen much of but I'll do my best. I do read up on them as much as possible and watch highlights.
1. Matthews (C)
2. Laine (W)
3. Puljujarvi (RW)
Top 3 are easy, you'd be ecstatic with any of them. I find it really hard to break down that next cluster. The guys I like best are Tkachuk, Dubois, Chychrun and Juolevi. They are close enough I think teams could choose positionally or based on style of play. Tkachuk and Dubois are big, strong skilled forwards, either would fit the Flames needs although ideally they'd be right shots instead. Chychrun and Juolevi are projected as top 3 dmen if not top pairing guys and would give us an elite top four defense. I think they are close enough you could make arguments for them being in any order. Nylander I think is in this grouping but I have him lowest.
Then you'd have guys like Sergachev (D), Bean (D), Gauthier (RW), McLeod (C), Fabbro (D), Jost (RW), Keller (C) and Jones (LW). My favourites would be Sergachev, Jones and Gauthier based on need.
9. Gauthier (RW)
10. Sergachev (D)
11. Jones (LW)
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Thanks, I was just putting together a similar post on how "Soft" Alexander Nyalnder is.
EDIT: read you list as well, I still don't have Dubois that high. Nylander and he would swap on my list. And I'm a fan of McLeod, I'd put him higher too. Could be a good player to line up on the RW with Sam Bennett. Nylander as well.
Red Line seems to have an issue with Micheal Nylander. In 2014 Kyle Woodlief was on Edmonton radio and went on a mini rant about the Nylanders. Pretty much said they would have ranked William much higher if it wasn't for the father giving William a bad attitude.
And I'm a fan of McLeod, I'd put him higher too. Could be a good player to line up on the RW with Sam Bennett. Nylander as well.
McLeod has questions on his offside upside. He projects as a second liner at best it sounds like. Ryan Kesler type upside. But he seems to have 3rd line downside. If we were short on centre depth I might have him higher but he doesn't fit our needs very well IMO. I'd much rather Nylander
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Given how much we're going to be paying Monahan and Gaudreau (and probably Bennett fairly soon) can we actually afford another franchise type forward anyway? Maybe a 6-8 pick that is more like a second line forward is better? Yeah, that's it, a bit lower pick is better.
Red Line seems to have an issue with Micheal Nylander. In 2014 Kyle Woodlief was on Edmonton radio and went on a mini rant about the Nylanders. Pretty much said they would have ranked William much higher if it wasn't for the father giving William a bad attitude.
Yeah they had him 11th but called him the most skilled player in the draft but a diva.
Interesting looking back they had Fabbri so high and for good reason. Redline is still my favourite scouting publication.
Here's their full write up on William Nylander that year, "Exceptionally skilled - the most dynamic offensive talent in the draft. But son of longtime NHLer Michael Nylander has been coddled for years. Sometimes selfish, always a diva, and will give coaches grey hair. Has phenomenal hands and a world of skill; handles the puck as though it were glued to his blade, making ridiculous moves at top speed without a bobble. Glides effortlessly and is exceptionally elusive in tight quarters. While he’s a brilliant stickhandler, always looks for the flashiest “Wow!” play instead of the simple, correct one. Superb on the PP where he owns the puck and sets up every play. Seemingly has more time to process the game than anyone else. Can slow play down, control the pace, then explode. Tremendous finishing ability. Terrific playmaker with every pass in the book, plus a few extras. Often seems intent only on showing everyone how skilled he is. Small and a bit lazy."
I'd be giddy if the Flames nabbed Nylander. Even if the Flames go down to 10-ish there's going to be Gauthier and Mcleod to fawn over. I'm pretty okay with more than a few picks down the ladder. Sergachyev? Don't mind of we do!
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McLeod has questions on his offside upside. He projects as a second liner at best it sounds like. Ryan Kesler type upside. But he seems to have 3rd line downside. If we were short on centre depth I might have him higher but he doesn't fit our needs very well IMO. I'd much rather Nylander
McLeod seems to be all over the place. Mckeens has him at 4th, iss at 7th and fc at 11. I like the r shot and size but would his game translate to the wing? Gauthier is another r shot but apart from fc he is out of the top 10. Ok with sergachev as well if we miss on the top 7 you listed.
as others have mentioned it could be a blessing in disguise to get a lesser pick because chances are we wont have to pay them as much. If we acquired matthews im convinced we would have to trade monahan or bennett after matthews elc is up. With a complementary guy like nylander or thachuck we only need them to produce around 40-50 points with bennett on the second line and we can have a balanced team.
I love all the silver linings you fellas are coming up with, I really do. I'd still prefer that #1 pick but maybe we wouldn't be able to afford all these guys in a couple years.
This team isn't gonna roll over like some of the other bottom teams. Barring a miracle we will be looking at a pick in the 7-10 range for sure.
Personally, I love Julien Gauthier and I hope he's there for us.
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McLeod seems to be all over the place. Mckeens has him at 4th, iss at 7th and fc at 11. I like the r shot and size but would his game translate to the wing? Gauthier is another r shot but apart from fc he is out of the top 10. Ok with sergachev as well if we miss on the top 7 you listed.
No idea if McLeod can be a winger. Redline doesn't have him top 10 at this time either. 4th overall seems ludicrous to me. I guess if scouts feel he has NHL offense then he's like a Larkin type. But if you think he's a 2nd/3rd line tweener with great speed and work ethic then he's probably not a top guy. Sounds like opinions on him are quite varied. He will have been heavily scouted as he plays with Nylander and Bastian, all 3 are draft eligible. I'd be pretty shocked if we took him because I'm not a full believer in his offence. I think he's less of a sure thing offensively than Horvat and I know some posters around here don't love him.
I still think Bob Mackenzie does a great job of getting an "average" ranking. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid-season-dra...three-1.435206
I think his list is most useful for determining what teams think on average.
Then I use Redline and other lists to spot dissenting opinions and find guys who might be higher and lower for certain teams.
Mackenzie helps do this as well in his article.
"There’s going to be a fierce battle for the consensus No. 4 slot, behind Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi. Tkachuk currently owns that designation, but four other Top 10 prospects got consideration as the fourth best in this draft – Chychrun at No. 5; Nylander at No. 6; Juolevi at No. 7 and McLeod at No. 9. Dubois received some consideration as a top five pick and Gauthier in the top six."
So all those guys are top 6 on some teams lists. Mackenzie recently tweeted that Juolevi is starting to pick up steam as the 4th guy behind the big 3.
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There's just so much talent there. And he has good size.
I haven't watched the video you posted (will watch after this post), but I just want to say that I like Mike McLeod too. I guess for me it's his combination of top-tier speed, puck-skills, and battle in the corners. I do think he's a longer term project but I would be happy if we drafted him.
He probably doesn't solve the problems we have on the power play, but could easily make us an elite 5-on-5 team, which is probably more important.
There's just so much talent there. And he has good size.
Impressive for sure. However some of those were tap ins on great setups, a bunch of those won't go in on NHL goalies. He won't generate as many breakaways in the NHL most likely. Is he Larkin? Is he more like Shean Donovan? Unfortunately the highlights don't show the times he failed to generate offence and thats what some scouts criticize about his game, he has games where he doesn't generate as much. His passing does seem to be excellent.
If he can't be switched to the wing then he's in tough behind Monahan, Bennett, Backlund at centre. Given his position and projection as a #2 to #3 centre I think there are better options for the Flames in the top 8. Just my opinion of course and I haven't seen him live so I'm going more on scouting reports.
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I for one would be pretty disappointed if we don't draft top 5. This season has been the worst and just when you think there is light at the end of the tunnel with a top end pick, flames finally start playing how they should have all season. I would love to get dubois if we don't get the top 3, but this talk of mcleod or gauthier just depresses me. I mean they may end up being good players, just don't seem to have the same elite level as some of the top picks in this draft.
I for one would be pretty disappointed if we don't draft top 5. This season has been the worst and just when you think there is light at the end of the tunnel with a top end pick, flames finally start playing how they should have all season. I would love to get dubois if we don't get the top 3, but this talk of mcleod or gauthier just depresses me. I mean they may end up being good players, just don't seem to have the same elite level as some of the top picks in this draft.
Our draft luck just really sucks man. Everyone's defaulting down 3 spots from where we end up anyway, that's how historically bad it is.
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I for one would be pretty disappointed if we don't draft top 5. This season has been the worst and just when you think there is light at the end of the tunnel with a top end pick, flames finally start playing how they should have all season. I would love to get dubois if we don't get the top 3, but this talk of mcleod or gauthier just depresses me. I mean they may end up being good players, just don't seem to have the same elite level as some of the top picks in this draft.
Read fdw's post and click on mcKenzies link. There were a few interchangeable at #4. Those players could slide down to our spot. Yeah, would be great to get a top 3 but not a disaster if we don't. We have gotten lucky with Mony and Bennett in the past few years and we got Johnny through shrewd late round pick.
Here's a few trends I've noticed in my 20 years of draft watching
1. Big centres will go even higher than projected. See Barkov, Scheiffele, Zibanejad as recent examples.
How can that inform us about this draft? Don't be shocked if McLeod does go top 8, maybe as high as top 6. While I don't think we'll be the team that takes him it wouldn't surprise me if another team jumps at him.
2. The small players do usually fall slightly or at the very least nobody reaches to take them higher than projected unless they are Kane type players
How does this inform us? Keller is unlikely to go top 12 IMO
3. The top end defence men don't usually fall far. This ties in with the idea that GMs have a hard time finding top 4 dmen and they are extremely valuable as the trade deadline and July 1st always show us. AND there's always a few midtier d-men that rise.
How does this inform us? Don't expect guys like Chychrun and Juolevi to fall out of the top 7. Sergachev, Bean, McAvoy and Fabbro could surprise us by going higher than expected.
Just a few thoughts about how this may shape up since we're suddenly forced to contemplate how the top 7 may go before we pick! Lol
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