2016 NHL Draft

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Thanks Henry! I was waiting for some kind of highlights from the game today and I'm a little disapointed that neither of the 2 did anything amazing in a game 7.

I"m guessing Pull-an-RV dominates at the U18 and Laine will be tournament MVP in his tournament.

A couple of good passes, nothing worth mentioning.

An interesting thing the Finnish national team head coach said about Laine is that he plays physical mostly when he's not scoring. When the goals are going in, he's less engaged physically. When he's not scoring, he plays angry and aggressive. There's some truth to that in my view. Something to work on perhaps.

[Poe969]

But isn't that a good thing? If he's scoring and putting up points, I wouldn't want him to start hitting more, I'd want him to score more. And when he's not scoring, at least he's doing something.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

A couple of good passes, nothing worth mentioning.

An interesting thing the Finnish national team head coach said about Laine is that he plays physical mostly when he's not scoring. When the goals are going in, he's less engaged physically. When he's not scoring, he plays angry and aggressive. There's some truth to that in my view. Something to work on perhaps.

Something to work on for sure, but at least he is contributing even when not getting on the scoresheet. That helps.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

With all the Canadian teams out of the playoffs TSN should start hyping the heck out of the U18s. Hopefully we get good coverage.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Poe969

But isn't that a good thing? If he's scoring and putting up points, I wouldn't want him to start hitting more, I'd want him to score more. And when he's not scoring, at least he's doing something.

Tough to say. It's certainly good that he doesn't sit back when the puck isn't bouncing for him, but maybe the coach feels that he could still be more consistently aggressive.

I wouldn't want a sniper to spend all his energy on the boards either. Maybe it's a Finnish coach thing where everyone has to sacrifice all the time. We're not used to goal scorers in Finland.

[Poe969]

Either way, he's the guy I want the Flames to get.

I think the oil will get Matthews and the Flames will get Laine, leafs get Pull-an-RV and I don't care after that.

I really wouldn't mind that one bit.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Tough to say. It's certainly good that he doesn't sit back when the puck isn't bouncing for him, but maybe the coach feels that he could still be more consistently aggressive.

I wouldn't want a sniper to spend all his energy on the boards either. Maybe it's a Finnish coach thing where everyone has to sacrifice all the time. We're not used to goal scorers in Finland.

For me, Laine is a powerforward with an elite sniper's ability. With consistency in his game, I can see him separate the opposing player from the puck by using strength, and then going in for a scoring chance on his own. I can also see him check or out-muscle an opposing player along the boards, pass it to an open player, and get right into the play for a one-timer.

I mean, this is without commenting on his IQ, his soft hands and his playmaking ability (which I think is pretty good).

I do think if he learns consistency with respect to physicality, he will become a better player and that may even show up on his scoring. Yes, you don't want him constantly on the boards battling for the puck, or simply going hard to the net looking for rebounds or being the screen/garbage goal guy - but if he adds to those elements to his game on a more consistent basis, he will be even a more dynamic player who becomes even more difficult to contain.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Either way, he's the guy I want the Flames to get.

I think the oil will get Matthews and the Flames will get Laine, leafs get Pull-an-RV and I don't care after that.

I really wouldn't mind that one bit.

Checking the quote, the coach says that Laine will be more effective when he can combine the goals and the aggressiveness. Not a flaw that will hold him back but like a direction where should go as he matures. You don't expect a 17 year old to have everything figured out.

As for drafting, I deeply care whether or not either Finn ends up in Edmonton, because that might become a disaster for their development. It's an awful situation to have such a black hole of an organisation in the league. It's a genuine fear that they simply keep sucking in young talent and turning them into losers.

A team that feels like they're set at center might perhaps consider Laine before Matthews, otherwise you build from center. A team like the Flames might think about Laine, Columbus never. Matthews is still the number one in most scenarios.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Brown would be one of those "projection" picks from what I can tell. Huge skilled centre with good skating. He's got massive upside if he puts it all together. For him the scouts would be more looking at how much room he has to grow as a player. Everybody would love 6'6 top two line centre.

That would be your classic project pick. Years away, needs to learn how to use his size to dominate.

Not sure I'd have him over Sergachev either but he was going to be a dark horse of mine to go top 10 because of his size, skill, skating combo. Big centres don't last long on draft day.

So he's Hugh Jessiman?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Brown would be one of those "projection" picks from what I can tell. Huge skilled centre with good skating. He's got massive upside if he puts it all together. For him the scouts would be more looking at how much room he has to grow as a player. Everybody would love 6'6 top two line centre.

That would be your classic project pick. Years away, needs to learn how to use his size to dominate.

Not sure I'd have him over Sergachev either but he was going to be a dark horse of mine to go top 10 because of his size, skill, skating combo. Big centres don't last long on draft day.

I forget where I read it but some scout said that Brown reminds of Ryan Johansen at the same age. RyJo was a reach at the time, took some devleopment time but in retrospect was the prefect pick. Well until they gave up on him.

[MissTeeks]

That's unfortunate for him:

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[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Poe969

But isn't that a good thing? If he's scoring and putting up points, I wouldn't want him to start hitting more, I'd want him to score more. And when he's not scoring, at least he's doing something.

I wouldn't say it's a good thing perse... more that it's the expected thing. I mean odds are that if he's not scoring then it's either a cause or effect of the team not playing well. The team not playing well probably means their opponents have the puck more thus more hits (since you can't hit if you have the puck).

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by druetetective

How many scouts are employed by CSS? does anyone know?

Wikipedia says 29 for what it's worth.

[hockey.modern]

Dubois jumps to #1 among North American skaters
https://www.nhl.com/news/pierre-luc-...?tid=277764372

Cape Breton forward Pierre-Luc Dubois became the first Quebec Major Junior Hockey League player in more than a decade to be named No. 1 on NHL Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters eligible for the 2016 NHL Draft.

Dubois, a 6-foot-2, 202-pound forward, is versatile enough to play all three forward spots but appears most comfortable at center. He was third in the QMJHL with 99 points, fifth with 42 goals and sixth with 57 assists in 62 games. He also won 50.4 percent of his faceoffs.

[flamesforcup]

If we were to draft dubois could he start in the nhl next year?

[Mass_nerder]

I wish Dubois would stop climbing. A few weeks ago, it looked like we could easily draft him if we stayed around 5-6. Now it's sounding like he could be gone at 4.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

If we were to draft dubois could he start in the nhl next year?

Don't think so. Relative to other junior leagues, I think more QMJHL players need at least a year or two of seasoning

[Captaincanada80]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I wish Dubois would stop climbing. A few weeks ago, it looked like we could easily draft him if we stayed around 5-6. Now it's sounding like he could be gone at 4.

I feel the only likely scenario where Dubious goes 4th is if the Lottery stays the same and TOR, EDM and VAN draft 1,2,3. Leaving Columbus at 4 taking Dubois. If Columbus jumps into the top 3 they are likely taking a Finn with Jarmo Kekäläinen as GM. Vancouver and Edmonton likely addressing the deficiencies on the blue line choosing Jacob Chychrun 4th.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

If we were to draft dubois could he start in the nhl next year?

At LW/RW I think yes.
At Top 6 C maybe not.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

For me, Laine is a powerforward with an elite sniper's ability. With consistency in his game, I can see him separate the opposing player from the puck by using strength, and then going in for a scoring chance on his own. I can also see him check or out-muscle an opposing player along the boards, pass it to an open player, and get right into the play for a one-timer.

I mean, this is without commenting on his IQ, his soft hands and his playmaking ability (which I think is pretty good).

I do think if he learns consistency with respect to physicality, he will become a better player and that may even show up on his scoring. Yes, you don't want him constantly on the boards battling for the puck, or simply going hard to the net looking for rebounds or being the screen/garbage goal guy - but if he adds to those elements to his game on a more consistent basis, he will be even a more dynamic player who becomes even more difficult to contain.

He has the potential for a power game and certainly has shown some willingness to play that way, but he'll have to learn it in North America. I don't think his team's play style supports that type of game.

He likes to lean on defenders with the puck, but it's even a little bit frustrating to watch him challenge in the Finnish league because his linemates tend to just watch him rather than give him options, for example by crashing the net so there's at least one sensible place to dish the puck to. Kind of leaves him out there alone. That's going to be different in North America.

With his size and stick coordination he has a lot of potential for playing in front of the net, but the plays just don't happen there in the Finnish league, it seems. Look at Barkov right now and he's scores everything from within six feet of the net. On PP Laine should be in his zone farther away like right now, but 5-on-5 a lot should happen from the boards to the front of the net. That does not occur on his team right now. Again, something to incorporate next year in NA. He'll get a hundred times more support for different kinds of plays there than right now in Tappara.