Why the Bible is wrong, according to the Bible

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

You really don't know much about either of them do you?

Jesus said:

Joh 3:16-18For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Edited to add:

Mat 24:42-44 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

It is Jesus who will return with judgment.

It appears that somebody else is doing all the judging before he gets here.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

It appears that somebody else is doing all the judging before he gets here.

You must not understand the difference between exercising judgment and administering judgment. Such ignorance will lead a man to destruction.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Foreknowledge and predestination are two completely different concepts.

That's not mentioning anything about the free will of man.

Ah Free Will...or is that Willy?

One can see a benevolent god overseeing a suffering world that, for religious people, necessitates this theory of free will. Your God is therefore not the author of evil, and so is not responsible for it.

So lets imagine that you use it to justify your inability to stop a crime from being committed. If you were able to prevent a brutal rape, but instead allowed it to take place, then you could not justify your inaction using the free-will defence. If you were to say that although you think you could have prevented the rape, you thought it best to protect the free-will of the rapist by allowing him to carry out his plan, then you could have and likely would be judged to have made a moral error.
Why, if this argument would be unacceptable coming from a human being, should we think it is more acceptable coming from your God?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

I love the concept of atheists as condescending. As if you can be more condescending than someone who tells you that they have perfect knowledge of something without even having to think about it, and with all the thinking you can do with your human brain you can never reach it.

The fact of the matter is that there are contradictions in the bible, and calgaryborn can explain away all he wants but mental gymanstics aside, the fact is that the approved english translations of the bible currently in use are both approved by various christian sects and yet are clearly full of contradictions. Many of those sects preach biblical inerrancy so it is appropriate for non-believers to point out internal inconsistencies in the bible as a challenge to specific religious beliefs such as biblical inerrancy (but not faith itself).

The reaction of religious believers who feel that an attack on biblical inerrancy is automatically an attack on their core beliefs strikes me as something of a persecution complex. Non-believers have had to listen to Christian philosophy and history in the public ideas marketplace for a couple of thousand years, but it is unfair for atheists to publicly air any critique of religious tenets or dogma.

I think many religious people have a long way to go to accept that tolerance includes tolerance of others publicly stating their disagreement with your own base beliefs. Right now it seems that many religious folks are grudgingly tolerant of my right not to believe in a deity, but not of my right to discuss the rationale for same.

Out of thanks, so Thanks! Wonderfully put I might add.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

It is Jesus who will return with judgment.

I thought he has returned many times over the past 2000 years? was his judgement to murder and rape his followers?

Heres just a few who said their Jesus in the last 20-30 years alone.

Jim Jones - Jonestown massacre (918 dead)
David Koresh - Waco (87 dead)
Marshall Applewhite - Heavens gate (39 dead)
Wayne Bent - (raped young boys and girls)
Tom Provenzano - (murdered 3)
And many many more.

[Thor]

So people have been saying Jesus will return for 2000 years, talk about being fashionably late.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Thor

So people have been saying Jesus will return for 2000 years, talk about being fashionably late.

I just can't wrap my head around the thought that people actually believe this stuff, I liken it to a 12 year old still believing in the tooth fairy.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Thor

So people have been saying Jesus will return for 2000 years, talk about being fashionably late.

Hey I don't mind repeating scripture. It's not like your saying anything original either.

2Pe 3:8-10 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by T@T

I just can't wrap my head around the thought that people actually believe this stuff, I liken it to a 12 year old still believing in the tooth fairy.

And it's your habit to belittle things you can't grasp. Well that explains 90% of your posts.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Hey I don't mind repeating scripture. It's not like your saying anything original either.

2Pe 3:8-10 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Here are the dates of his predicted return

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Hey I don't mind repeating scripture. It's not like your saying anything original either.

2Pe 3:8-10 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seems to me Jesus is going to return in the form of a large asteroid or comet. but of course he'll bring some sort of force field to protect his believers.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Here are the dates of his predicted return

Here is a verse that should have warned anybody that such predictions were false and the person who uttered they by definition is a false prophet:

Mat 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth noman,no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

See what happens when folks don't read their Bible.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

And it's your habit to belittle things you can't grasp. Well that explains 90% of your posts.

Just curious, exactly what do you figure I can't grasp?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by T@T

Seems to me Jesus is going to return in the form of a large asteroid or comet. but of course he'll bring some sort of force field to protect his believers.

Close:
Act 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

[FireFly]

This thread is an excellent example of why I don't post in such threads on religion anymore. Both sides act like a bunch of 12 year olds.

I know you are, but what am I?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by FireFly

This thread is an excellent example of why I don't post in such threads on religion anymore. Both sides act like a bunch of 12 year olds.

I know you are, but what am I?

Hockey fan?

[kermitology]

Oh sky cake...

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by FireFly

This thread is an excellent example of why I don't post in such threads on religion anymore. Both sides act like a bunch of 12 year olds.

I know you are, but what am I?

So blanket admonishments elevate the level of discussion?

Thanks for comin' out.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Hey I don't mind repeating scripture. It's not like your saying anything original either.

2Pe 3:8-10 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

lol you are quoting the bible and you call me out for not posting anything original?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Thor

lol you are quoting the bible and you call me out for not posting anything original?

They produce the quotes because it saves having to think for themselves, and come up with their own opinion.

<12 year old rant>