[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

we could have gotten a different deal in the off-season, absolutely. I'm sure we could have gotten some picks/prospects in the deal - but Sutter was trying to save the season, and ultimately it was a big reason why he lost his job.

I wish he would have waited until the off-season. Even if it wasn't "better", so long as it was a different package for Dion, we'd be in a better situation. Sutter really did some significant damage to this organization in that 2-3 month span from the Dion trade until the end of the season.

It's the main reason why we are where we are today. Of everything the Stajan signing is the one that bothers me most.

[Oilbert]

Dion had struggled early because of season, but his last 20 games looked like the Dion of old.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Oilbert

Dion had struggled early because of season, but his last 20 games looked like the Dion of old.

What???

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oilbert

Dion had struggled early because of season, but his last 20 games looked like the Dion of old.

Which season is that, the Fall?

Because I've seen him in Springtime and it ain't Pretty.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Oilbert

Dion had struggled early because of season, but his last 20 games looked like the Dion of old.

Your posts are almost as well thought out as Netminder's.

[FlamesAddiction]

Phanuef really did have a strong second half. The Leafs mid-season turnaround had a lot to do with him finally getting his game together. He looked like a real leader out there.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Oilbert

Dion had struggled early because of season, but his last 20 games looked like the Dion of old.

I assume this meant:

Originally Posted by Oilbert

Dion had struggled early in the season, but his last 20 games looked like the Dion of old.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

While we did win that trade it was part of one of the worst trades during the Sutter regime. Knowing what we could have got for Phaneuf and what we are saddle with now is depressing to say the least and the fact that Babs doesn't seem to be in the fold as a UFA makes the above trade meh at the end of the day.

You can't say one trade isn't good because of a previous one, each trade has to be judged on its own merits.

and how can you complain about Babchuk leaving as a UFA when White would have been leaving as a UFA... even if you ignore those 2, Kostopoulos made a very solid impact on our team when Sutter is likely to not be much more than a marginal NHLer... plus this trade was when our team really started turning the corner

[Ford Prefect]

This is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[Mightyfire89]

It's unfortunate that the Flames aren't in a position where they could have allowed him to re-enter the draft and then draft him again and say "What now, smart guy?".

[P-DAZZLE]

After reading Duha's article about David Krejci in the G&M today and watching Krejci a lot on account of the B's run I am now optimistically hoping Horak turns into a Krejci-type player. I know it is a bit stupid to base player expectations shearly on other players of their nationality, but both these guys are Czech and are a similar size. They are both centers (although Hockey DB lists Horak as a LW) and their numbers are pretty similar for their Jr. years, especially if you factor in the higher scoring in the Q compared to the W.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=78644
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112706

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Krack Korn

It's unfortunate that the Flames aren't in a position where they could have allowed him to re-enter the draft and then draft him again and say "What now, smart guy?".

I think he would have happily'ish signed with the Flames, he wanted to go to New York, that was all, it was an astute move by his agent, who no doubt started the conversation with him by asking 'do you care where you end up if you don't go to the Rangers?' once the kid said no then the plan was easy.

I doubt the Rangers had much more to do with it than getting word from the agent that his client would love to play for them and wasn't going to sign with Calgary (probably via the dad to avoid any tampering allegations).

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Lunatik

You can't say one trade isn't good because of a previous one, each trade has to be judged on its own merits.

and how can you complain about Babchuk leaving as a UFA when White would have been leaving as a UFA... even if you ignore those 2, Kostopoulos made a very solid impact on our team when Sutter is likely to not be much more than a marginal NHLer... plus this trade was when our team really started turning the corner

It was actually a month before we really started turning the corner. We had a brutal December up until the 18th or so. It was a great trade though I just wish and still hope we're able to retain Babs to make it a better one.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

It was actually a month before we really started turning the corner. We had a brutal December up until the 18th or so. It was a great trade though I just wish and still hope we're able to retain Babs to make it a better one.

maybe 'when' was the wrong word, but Babchuk and Kostopoulos were a big part of the team turning around

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Lunatik

maybe 'when' was the wrong word, but Babchuk and Kostopoulos were a big part of the team turning around

Sure, but who cares? We certainly don't need Kostopolous. The trade was a "win", but it was like putting a really nice shine on the silverware on the Titanic... In the end, White for a 2nd round pick would have been a lot more useful...

[Fry]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/blog?...26id%3d6622993

Well, it may have been out of Calgary's hands. One recurring suggestion has come up from scouts and front office sources with several teams -- the Rangers may have massaged the system to pry away Erixon on the cheap.

Glad it was finally suggested in the media that it was premeditated.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by P-DAZZLE

After reading Duha's article about David Krejci in the G&M today and watching Krejci a lot on account of the B's run I am now optimistically hoping Horak turns into a Krejci-type player. I know it is a bit stupid to base player expectations shearly on other players of their nationality, but both these guys are Czech and are a similar size. They are both centers (although Hockey DB lists Horak as a LW) and their numbers are pretty similar for their Jr. years, especially if you factor in the higher scoring in the Q compared to the W.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=78644
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112706

Nothing wrong with being optimistic. I hope you are right, we are due a good break from the hockey gods.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Fry

http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/blog?...26id%3d6622993



Glad it was finally suggested in the media that it was premeditated.

Time for Ken King, Jay Feaster, and the Calgary Flames to massage the system themselves and get a couple of first round picks from the Rangers for tampering. This one stinks, it stinks to the high heavens.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Time for Ken King, Jay Feaster, and the Calgary Flames to massage the system themselves and get a couple of first round picks from the Rangers for tampering. This one stinks, it stinks to the high heavens.

You know, I know, the Flames brass knows it was tampering but I think proving it is another matter. I look at it as the Smirkers, welcome to the big leagues Jay. Kind of like Clark's signing of Kesler to an offer sheet welcomed Nonis when he was up against the cap. Feaster got played, not that he had any control over the circumstances but I wonder if Darryl would have suffered the same fate. Not that I want Darryl back.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You know, I know, the Flames brass knows it was tampering but I think proving it is another matter. I look at it as the Smirkers, welcome to the big leagues Jay. Kind of like Clark's signing of Kesler to an offer sheet welcomed Nonis when he was up against the cap. Feaster got played, not that he had any control over the circumstances but I wonder if Darryl would have suffered the same fate. Not that I want Darryl back.

The good news here is that the burden of proof is not as strict as in a criminal court. No need to worry about "reasonable doubt", as I think the criteria would be *at worst* only as strict as you'd find in a civil case.