[Rumour] Flames want another top 5 pick. UPD: Flames aren't trading Hamilton

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Red

Flames have holes to fill too guys. Stop pretending that the Oilers are the only team that NEEDS a trade.
Why would Chiarelli send a gross overpayment to a rival? He can do that for PK or some other dman. Hamilton is all potential. This isn't Nick Lidstrom.

No he's not. Hes a 40 pt dman who's 23 years old, which is impressive enough. He has potential to improve beyond that. But if he stays at what he is, he's still worth keeping over trading him for 4th overall.

If we didn't have Hamilton, we would be begging to trade #6 for him. But since we have him already his value seems to be greatly decreased among people in here. I don't really understand why. ifIf Hamilton was in this draft, and you could look into the future at what he would be at 23, he might be the 1st overall pick here.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Red

Flames have holes to fill too guys. Stop pretending that the Oilers are the only team that NEEDS a trade.
Why would Chiarelli send a gross overpayment to a rival? He can do that for PK or some other dman. Hamilton is all potential. This isn't Nick Lidstrom.

But we are giving them an actual proven fill. We're not getting that back, we're getting a draft pick that might be a year or two or three away unless everything goes perfectly. Hell we might pick a guy that looks like an awesome solution today and next year he turns into Alexander Daigle.

And that's the problem

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

A friend brought up an interesting point. Hamilton might just be the type who will bolt for free agency after 4 years, so won't be around for too much of our true contending years. So maybe you do entertain trade offers. Not necessarily saying #4 is proper value, but just that maybe I'm not so against trading him as I thought.

True contending years? 4 years from now?

Are we the Oilers with a 10 year rebuild plan?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

A friend brought up an interesting point. Hamilton might just be the type who will bolt for free agency after 4 years, so won't be around for too much of our true contending years. So maybe you do entertain trade offers. Not necessarily saying #4 is proper value, but just that maybe I'm not so against trading him as I thought.

We have Dougie locked up for 5 years no way they move him because of fear what he will do down the road. The only way they are pushing to move him IMO is if the rumors of him being disliked in the room in Boston was true and he is not well liked in the Flames room. Otherwise why would we move a player of this caliber?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dan403

But it really was that bad. Seriously, the worst proposal that I've seen all day.

Jesse Puljujarvi

[skudr248]

Lets trade Raymond for a used washing machine

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jesse Puljujarvi

You just make those picks I wouldn't trade 2 top 10 picks to move into the top 3.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jesse Puljujarvi

Not worth the 4th and 6th. I'm sorry but he's not.

[Erick Estrada]

I think 4th OA + Hall is a major overpayment but I would ask for 4 OA + for Hamilton as I don't see a player at number 4 that projects to be a better player. I'm still of the opinion that Nylander could end up being a better NHLer than Tkachuk when all is said and done and that won't cost the Flames anything so my preference is to simply pick Nylander at 6 and move on to getting a goaltender.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Lets trade Raymond for a used washing machine

No, I have a used washing machine that they can come pickup for free.

[Igottago]

People are suddenly really high on Hall after making fun of his (many) defensive blunders for years.

As others have stated, unless the Oilers are basically willing to bend over there is no reason the Flames should be considering moving Hamilton.

[bigrangy]

look what jones got

a team with 5 great d managed to trade one of them for an elite 1st line center when that d-man had no contract term left and the receiving team had no cap space to re-up him.

hamilton is (roughly) on the same level as jones, as much as grease fans don't like to admit it. RNH is not an elite 1c, taylor hall is not an elite 1c, the 4th overall is not an elite 1c.

on top of that, add the division tax. on top of that, add the rival tax. on top of that, add the "the flames have no friggin reason to trade their stud d'man" tax, and then on top of that, add the "treliving = wizard" bonus

if hamilton goes to the oilers, there will be absolutely no doubt that the flames will have won that trade both now and in the future. hall+4th is not a return that convinces me of that.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Red

Flames have holes to fill too guys. Stop pretending that the Oilers are the only team that NEEDS a trade.
Why would Chiarelli send a gross overpayment to a rival? He can do that for PK or some other dman. Hamilton is all potential. This isn't Nick Lidstrom.

It doesn't make sense for the Flames though if the trade is Hamilton for the 4th. You're basically giving up one of your top 3 dmen (and a 23 year old one at that) for an unproven prospect. How does that fill Calgary's need? Yes, they need a top line RW, but I'd argue Tkachuk is not worth Hamilton. If that's what it costs, I'd rather just gamble with Nylander or Brown with the 6th.

Not only that, but you would be helping the Oilers out immensely while it would be a lateral move at best for the Flames of Tkachuk pans out. At worst, you just gave up a potential top line dman (and a currently established 2nd pairing dman) for a mystery box item.

[StrykerSteve]

I'll bet my CP account that Hamilton is not being traded.

[Red]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Because Edmonton is getting an in the wool proven solution to their problem. We're getting a box of hope.

So yeah, Edmonton needs to buckle up. And it seems like Chia's selection of dmen is going to shrink over the summer unless he's willing to pay a premium now which is the number 4 pick. Because nobody is going to put the same value on their first round pick next year until they know what its likely to be.

Hamilton is no more proven as a #1 than a 4th pick that Treliving wants. And again, Treliving is on a clock here more than Chiarelli. 6 hours left to move up.

[Textcritic]

God, this is painful. The draft cannot come quickly enough.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not worth the 4th and 6th. I'm sorry but he's not.

okay I see you guys all have your crystal balls out

Would you trade Nicklas Backstrom and Derick Brassard for

Jonathan Toews?

There are many examples where 4 and 6 combined were never as good as 3. Years with a steep drop off after 3 I think this is one of them.



Don't agree thats fine, my last post on the topic

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think 4th OA + Hall is a major overpayment but I would ask for 4 OA + for Hamilton as I don't see a player at number 4 that projects to be a better player. I'm still of the opinion that Nylander could end up being a better NHLer than Tkachuk when all is said and done and that won't cost the Flames anything so my preference is to simply pick Nylander at 6 and move on to getting a goaltender.

And at that point if I'm Treliving I wish Chia luck finding a defenseman to play their top pairing and hang up the phone.

Why in the blue hell would we give up a good developing 23 year old defenseman who can move the puck and gives us defensive depth and has already logged top 3 and top pairing minutes for something that we hope reaches his potential and then we have to add.

Its equivalent to selling your 2015 car for the same model 2020 car today because you think it might be better.

There's a really good chance that the 2020 is not going to be anything that you hope it would be.



That's just brutal.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Red

Hamilton is no more proven as a #1 than a 4th pick that Treliving wants. And again, Treliving is on a clock here more than Chiarelli. 6 hours left to move up.

LOL this can't be serious.

Hamilton is no more proven as a #1 than a kid who's never played an NHL game? We don't even need Hamilton to be a #1, we already have two of those (and he's pretty fricken close).

Treliving is on the clock? How so? Why is he on the clock to add the #4 pick, something that isn't projected to be discernibly different than the #6 pick?

If Treliving does nothing but trade a mid-pick for Elliot (or add any goaltender of decent quality, none of which will require the moving of one of our best players), and draft #6, this day will be a success.

[dino7c]

Hamilton is certainly more proven than a guy who hasn't played in the league...now way the Flames move him for a pick with nothing else up their sleeves