Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The NDP got 6 per cent of the vote. In the great majority of races, they failed to reach the 10 per cent threshold to qualify for campaign expense rebates from Elections Canada, leaving their finances in tatters.

They lost more seats to the Conservatives than to the Liberals, finishing third in traditional union strongholds like Windsor West.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11159180/...-conservative/

Appealing to disaffected graduate students and Toronto media freelancers isn’t the path back to electoral relevance. If the NDP want to avoid becoming the Green Party, they need to find a way to reconnect with the working class. Turning the party into a platform for Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein to preach their brand of urban-hipster activism would be the final nail in the coffin for the party.

Probably true, but Bernie and AOC are getting huge crowds in the US and A. Maybe young people will be interested.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

It was great that you didn't post for days after Fuzz pwned you.

What a sad muppet.

Haha I didn’t even notice. I’ve got other things going on, man. Sorry I can’t keep up on your drama here.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

"You guys"

Dude, I am a card carrying party member, and have been to the last 4 Canada Strong and Free conference/ meetings (though, I personally find them quite distasteful.)

I laid out exactly why I think Poilievre would be totally out of line for inviting that fellow to Canada, and why I don't think it applies to Carney. Carney isn't courting social conservatives and pretty actively ran against these types of policies. Poilievre didn't, which in fact is a large reason why he lost the election in stunning, humiliating fashion and will again if he is allowed to continue running the party.

I voted for Charest to lead the party and will vote for another eastern conservative next time.

So, I think this meeting was a big problem for two reasons:

1) there is nothing about Project 2025 that isn’t on the public record and if anyone is thinking this guy is going to give a bit behind the scenes intel, then they are nuts.

2) Carney ran and won on an “ELboWs uP” platform, but let’s be honest, he hasn’t really delivered. This meeting just adds to growing concerns that he can’t get nothing done.

As an aside, anyone who thinks Trump-style authoritarianism will find its way up here through Canadian Conservative parties is *truly* out to lunch.

I’m not even a big CPC guy (but I did vote Poilievre). I still think they need a new leader but I don’t mind the aggressiveness against a fairly disappointing Carney government - and Liberal track record.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by troutman

Probably true, but Bernie and AOC are getting huge crowds in the US and A. Maybe young people will be interested.

Young people are voting Conservative.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

Haha I didn’t even notice. I’ve got other things going on, man. Sorry I can’t keep up on your drama here.

My drama? lol. You are the queen of it. How long are you going to last here this time? 3 months?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by peter12

Young people are voting Conservative.

Hate to break it to you, but older Millennials and Gen Xers (the two age demographics the Conservatives led in based on exit polls) aren't remotely young. The Liberals had higher favorability and a higher estimated vote among U30 voters.

The US is much the same. You have to go up to 45-64 year olds to find a group that Trump beat Harris in.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Hate to break it to you, but older Millennials and Gen Xers (the two age demographics the Conservatives led in based on exit polls) aren't remotely young. The Liberals had higher favorability and a higher estimated vote among U30 voters.

The US is much the same. You have to go up to 45-64 year olds to find a group that Trump beat Harris in.

His point of view is deluded as his circle is full of maple maga and forever Trumpers.

[Drak]

Carney has only been in office a few months, so stating he hasn’t delivered is premature. Stating that anyone who thinks Canada succumbing to MAGA style authoritarianism is “out to lunch” is nothing but delusional projection. The current federal opposition party and the party in power in Alberta, both incorporate the exact same disinformation tactics and policies as MAGA down south.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Drak

Carney has only been in office a few months, so stating he hasn’t delivered is premature. Stating that anyone who thinks Canada succumbing to MAGA style authoritarianism is “out to lunch” is nothing but delusional projection. The current federal opposition party and the party in power in Alberta, both incorporate the exact same disinformation tactics and policies as MAGA down south.

You should email that to PP. He was just on CBC about to stroke out about how Carney is the worst lying PM ever! hahaha

The whiny twerp doesn't appear to realize we are in a tariff war with the US. His Republican overlord is doing his job well.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Hate to break it to you, but older Millennials and Gen Xers (the two age demographics the Conservatives led in based on exit polls) aren't remotely young. The Liberals had higher favorability and a higher estimated vote among U30 voters.

The US is much the same. You have to go up to 45-64 year olds to find a group that Trump beat Harris in.

Where are you getting these numbers? Late April Nanos polling showed Conservatives with 44% support from 18-34 year olds and the Liberals with only 31%.

The opposite with the old is true here in Canada. Boomers and old Gen X are the only LPC stalwarts left.

Cost of living is by far the most important issue for people under 34, which is why the two parties are in a dead heat once again.

Would be interested in where you get these exit poll numbers for Canada… Elections Canada’s report on federal election won’t be released until the end of the year.

Edit: even other numbers from Angus Reid in late March show Liberals with a very very small edge among voters under 34 (45% to 39% for males). The big story this last election was actually the gender divide, but anyway.

Again, just genuinely curious where you are getting these numbers…

More on these exit polls... My god, where did you get your numbers, bro? I am genuinely curious.

"Canada election tells a tale of 2 demographics split on top issues"

Exit polls conducted by Ipsos exclusively for Global News found Canadians aged 55 and older leaned toward the Liberals, who were seen as the party that would best handle U.S. President Donald Trump and his fraying of the Canada-U.S. relationship.

Younger Canadians aged 18 to 34, meanwhile, picked the Conservatives, based on their perception of who would best address affordability and the rising cost of living.

Conversely, voters aged 18 to 34 saw affordability and the cost of living as their top issue at 42 per cent, followed by housing, health care and the economy. Just 18 per cent of younger voters said their choice was inspired by the Canada-U.S. relationship.

Ipsos found Conservatives leading the Liberals on economic issues, particularly cost of living and “kitchen table” economics — though by a much smaller margin, at five points, than what the Liberals enjoyed on the U.S. issue.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by peter12

Haha I didn’t even notice. I’ve got other things going on, man. Sorry I can’t keep up on your drama here.

Well besides that being a lie you're here now so go and reply.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Well besides that being a lie you're here now so go and reply.

Dude who are you?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

Probably true, but Bernie and AOC are getting huge crowds in the US and A. Maybe young people will be interested.

Lewis ran for parliament in the last two elections, and came in third both times. It seems even in Vancouver Centre endorsements from David Suzuki, Jane Fonda, and Bill Bragg don’t carry much weight with voters.

He doesn’t seem to be very good at politics.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Lewis ran for parliament in the last two elections, and came in third both times. It seems even in Vancouver Centre endorsements from David Suzuki, Jane Fonda, and Bill Bragg don’t carry much weight with voters.

He doesn’t seem to be very good at politics.

Avi Lewis is the most smug, abrasive political loser around.

[woob]

Originally Posted by peter12

Avi Lewis is the most smug, abrasive political loser around.

Definitely trust your judgement on that one!

[kermitology]

Are young Conservative voters voting FOR the Conservatives, or AGAINST the Liberals? I think there's a big difference there.

Personally, I'm so ####ing tired of whatever has become of western democracy. We have the conservative wings which are focused on the petro-state, full-forward capitalism, reducing government footprint on private regulation and privatizing public services, then on top of that, they're also waging all-out culture wars against anything that is deemed "woke."

Now you have western "liberals" who are seeing this shift to the conservative wing, and are mostly focused on reigning in the "woke" policies of past liberal governments. Carney has been a major disappointment for me. I read his book because I wanted to get a better sense of who he was other than my initial gut reaction of just another wealthy banker.

He spun a good yarn about wanting to work for the people and how government needs to work for the people, and we have to be pragmatic and smart.. and I'm finding myself to be so utterly disappointed in that as he presents austerity for the future of federal investments in Canada.

Our public infrastructure is crumbling before our eyes. We have a housing crisis that rivals that of the US, we have continued divestment and underfunding of public services, an astonishingly poorly thought out approach to AI, and the people of Canada are constantly being asked to do more with less.

I'm tired of it all. I'm excited by campaigns like Zohran Mamdani, not because he's a democratic socialist, but because he's interested in being a politician to invest in communities, services, and infrastructure.

There is not a single party in western democracy that seems to fully understand that.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Are young Conservative voters voting FOR the Conservatives, or AGAINST the Liberals? I think there's a big difference there.

Personally, I'm so ####ing tired of whatever has become of western democracy. We have the conservative wings which are focused on the petro-state, full-forward capitalism, reducing government footprint on private regulation and privatizing public services, then on top of that, they're also waging all-out culture wars against anything that is deemed "woke."

Now you have western "liberals" who are seeing this shift to the conservative wing, and are mostly focused on reigning in the "woke" policies of past liberal governments. Carney has been a major disappointment for me. I read his book because I wanted to get a better sense of who he was other than my initial gut reaction of just another wealthy banker.

He spun a good yarn about wanting to work for the people and how government needs to work for the people, and we have to be pragmatic and smart.. and I'm finding myself to be so utterly disappointed in that as he presents austerity for the future of federal investments in Canada.

Our public infrastructure is crumbling before our eyes. We have a housing crisis that rivals that of the US, we have continued divestment and underfunding of public services, an astonishingly poorly thought out approach to AI, and the people of Canada are constantly being asked to do more with less.

I'm tired of it all. I'm excited by campaigns like Zohran Mamdani, not because he's a democratic socialist, but because he's interested in being a politician to invest in communities, services, and infrastructure.

There is not a single party in western democracy that seems to fully understand that.

Pretty good post. I broadly agree with you. There is a lack of actual quality people in our governments, and you're right, having the Conservatives in power wouldn't change that.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Are young Conservative voters voting FOR the Conservatives, or AGAINST the Liberals? I think there's a big difference there.

Negative polarization is the name of the game in politics today. People vote for the party/leader you hate not because they love them, but because they hate your guys more.

[chemgear]

Delay on trying to force EV sales.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...ause-1.7625992

The EV mandate will be paused as the government conducts a 60-day review of the policy, and will be waived for 2026 models.

However, Greenpeace Canada was quick to criticize the EV mandate delay.

"What was the point of electing Mark Carney when we get Pierre Poilievre's climate policy?" said Keith Stewart, senior energy strategist with the activist group.

Carney's first move after being sworn in was to cancel the consumer carbon price — one of the Trudeau government's flagship climate policies, which the former central banker had once endorsed.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Personally, I'm so ####ing tired of whatever has become of western democracy. We have the conservative wings which are focused on the petro-state, full-forward capitalism, reducing government footprint on private regulation and privatizing public services, then on top of that, they're also waging all-out culture wars against anything that is deemed "woke."

What have conservative governments done to reduce the government foot print beyond privatizing profits? Smith for example has recruited to conservations officers to monitor park passes which are sold to pay the salaries of the conservation officers. She' broken health boards into smaller pieces paying more people to do the same job, she's created inquiries and panels where she can award government contracts to friends and doners. This is not a small government play, this is about getting government to do the work so some people can reap larger profits.

I'll also say the lefts woke problem is more of a leadership problem. They need to show the leadership to tell their supporters when they are going to far. Not always but in general it is rarely the politician leading with these dumb ideas (like it is on the right)