10-20-2014, 09:53 AM
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#201
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Update: Friedman: Brodie extension to be finalized Monday. (5 yrs $4.65mil AAV)
Wrong thread
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10-20-2014, 09:54 AM
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#202
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by YYC in LAX
Disagree. I'd call it a fluke. Just like Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Sometimes it just works out.
If a team liked someone that much, they would take them a lot earlier...
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Wrong. The scouting staff should be well connected enough to know what the read of every player is from around the League. In other words, even if the Flames loved Brodie and thought he would be one of the best picks outside of the first round, they also very likely had a good sense on where other teams projected him.
Check out some of the interviews with Tod Button from this past summer about how they approached the Gaudreau pick. The scouts pick players that they think will be the best players, but they also strategically do so in order to maximise the value of their picks.
Brodie was a terrific draft pick, and Sutter, Button and his scouts deserve all the credit in the world.
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10-20-2014, 09:54 AM
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#203
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by terminator
Brodie was a fluke pick this should be glaringly obvious.
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10-20-2014, 09:57 AM
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#204
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Dreger says it will be announced this afternoon
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10-20-2014, 10:01 AM
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#205
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Its weird he was ranked so low. He was always a great skater and put up decent offensive numbers. He was small weight wise, but reasonable height wise.
Wonder what the concerns were...
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In 2008 there was still a lot of lingering uncertainty about the long term viability of smaller players, especially defensemen. Duncan Keith was just emerging and Erik Karlsson had been drafted only the previous day. I think there was likely still questions about how effective some of these guys would be in the NHL; questions that have largely since been answered.
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10-20-2014, 10:02 AM
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#206
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#1 Goaltender
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Tom Webster was really really high on Brodie and definitely ranked him above the fourth round - he fought tooth and nail for the Flames to take him in the fourth and instead of risk losing him later. Any draft has a strategic component especially after the first couple rounds...you don't necessarily use a pick on guy when YOU think he should be taken if you think others rate him lower.
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10-20-2014, 10:24 AM
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#207
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Friedman on 960 says the $ for 1st year is relatively low and the last 4 years is all the same.
He also says deal is done and just waiting for signatures which is expected today
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How could that possibly be?
So many people on here made it very clear that there is no Gio cap and the salary TJ will be paid in the first year of his contract will exceed Gio's salary next year.
Looks like the Flames obviously don't know what they are doing when it comes to TJ's new contract.
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10-20-2014, 10:27 AM
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#208
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Based on Friedman's comments salary breakdown likely to be:
Year 1 $3.25 million
Year 2 $5 million
Year 3 $5 million
Year 4 $5 million
Year 5 $5 million
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If you're right... I was close.
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Originally Posted by Rerun
3.75 + 4.5 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 23.25 / 5 = 4.65 aav ???
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10-20-2014, 10:35 AM
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#209
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: winnipeg
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Dreger says it will be announced this afternoon
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Dreger - late to the show but trying to look like he has the scoop....
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10-20-2014, 10:35 AM
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#210
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rerun
How could that possibly be?
So many people on here made it very clear that there is no Gio cap and the salary TJ will be paid in the first year of his contract will exceed Gio's salary next year.
Looks like the Flames obviously don't know what they are doing when it comes to TJ's new contract.
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wut? 
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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10-20-2014, 10:48 AM
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#211
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Rerun
...So many people on here made it very clear that there is no Gio cap and the salary TJ will be paid in the first year of his contract will exceed Gio's salary next year...
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Just because Brodie's deal is structured this way, that does not confirm that there is a team-mandated cap to keep salaries under Giordano's ... and Wideman's.
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10-20-2014, 11:06 AM
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#212
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by nik-
wut? |
I guess I should have used green print, eh?
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10-20-2014, 11:08 AM
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#213
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rerun
I guess I should have used green print, eh?
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No, because green text is dumb. If I didn't get it I don't deserve to get it 
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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10-20-2014, 11:08 AM
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#214
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Just because Brodie's deal is structured this way, that does not confirm that there is a team-mandated cap to keep salaries under Giordano's ... and Wideman's.
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Of course... you're right...its probably just an accident or a coincidence that his first year happens to below what Gio is getting paid..
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10-20-2014, 11:09 AM
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#215
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by nik-
No, because green text is dumb. If I didn't get it I don't deserve to get it |
You just don't get it.
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10-20-2014, 11:11 AM
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#216
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In the Sin Bin
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Are you done patting yourself on the back yet, Rerun?
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10-20-2014, 11:22 AM
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#217
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Rerun
Of course... you're right...its probably just an accident or a coincidence that his first year happens to below what Gio is getting paid..
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Flames must have something to do with me getting paid less than Giordano next season as well. Couldn't be a coincidence!
I would also like to add: It would be a foolish for a bottom dweller like Calgary to have an internal $4 million dollar cap. Not only is that ridiculous number which is pretty low, it also sends a pretty ugly message that no matter what you do and how good you do it, you won't get paid more than $4 million? On a team like Calgary who already has a small problem attracting free agents? That makes zero sense.
Last edited by Arya Stark; 10-20-2014 at 11:26 AM.
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10-20-2014, 11:28 AM
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#218
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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This is fantastic for both Brodie and the Flames. Brodie over the past 2 years has made big chunks of improvement each season. A well deserved jump in salary. Great term and cap hit.
So far this season Brodie is controlling the pace of the game as well as Gio has, what a great match for Gio he is they have built solid chemistry.
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Last edited by Stay Golden; 10-20-2014 at 11:31 AM.
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10-20-2014, 11:33 AM
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#219
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Franchise Player
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Wideman and Hiller both make more than Giordano...
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Before you call me a pessimist or a downer, the Flames made me this way. Blame them.
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10-20-2014, 11:35 AM
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#220
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codynw
Wideman and Hiller both make more than Giordano...
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Unfair to quote facts when someone has a truth of his own.
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