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Old 08-05-2025, 05:02 AM   #6861
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ya we're not getting close to any of those guys for Farabee
I don’t think anyone here saw McLeod for Savoie happening either.

Buffalo has too many of the same player and need to add something different. Conroy sets his price and sticks to it.
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Old 08-05-2025, 07:28 AM   #6862
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Krebs is not it.
Never was, over hyped undersized winger who benefited from strong rosters in junior.
We’ve got a dozen prospects who are better than him right now.
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Old 08-05-2025, 07:47 AM   #6863
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This was my thought going into this years draft when everyone was predicting the Sharks taking Misa, it wasn't going to end well. They already had two top C, they didn't need to draft another. Now Misa is stuck behind them, limiting his playing time and his earning potential. Why is he going to be happy about that, he's not.

The Sharks should have traded that pick for a haul, or at least a player/players (cough Anderson cough) that filled in the gaps that allowed them to move forward, rather than continueing to languish at the bottom. Instead they wanted another shiny new toy, which was the wrong move imo.
Well the Penguins won the Cup after taking Malkin, Crosby, and Staal with top 2 picks in 3 consecutive drafts. So this did happen before and with some success. I don't think Smith and Celebrini are Crosby and Malkin caliber of players. But in the early years one of them will likely be okay moving to wing if it means they can be a 80 plus point producer with Celebrini and the team isn't losing 50 games a season.

But at some point the Sharks either need some guys picked after the first 15 picks to contribute and in time will need to make a deal or two for some veterans if they want to start winning 40 games a year as opposed to losing 60.

Based on the rumblings out of Anaheim, it does give off the impression that under Cronin and Verbeek, that it was not an enjoyable work environment for the young players. So I tend to believe that had more to do with some of the player dissatisfaction. I suspect the Ducks will get McTavish signed, and if they start winning a few more games this year the players will be a bit happier.
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After he was traded here, Farabee had the worst puck-luck of any player in the league. As a fan of his, I hope he overcomes that this season and puts up some decent production.
If he doesn’t it will be a lot of $$ for 20 points a year. Hoping we don’t find out why Philly gave up on him. My opinion last season was to get Frost we had to take Farabee
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Old 08-05-2025, 08:02 AM   #6865
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This was my thought going into this years draft when everyone was predicting the Sharks taking Misa, it wasn't going to end well. They already had two top C, they didn't need to draft another. Now Misa is stuck behind them, limiting his playing time and his earning potential. Why is he going to be happy about that, he's not.

The Sharks should have traded that pick for a haul, or at least a player/players (cough Anderson cough) that filled in the gaps that allowed them to move forward, rather than continueing to languish at the bottom. Instead they wanted another shiny new toy, which was the wrong move imo.
The easy solution is Smith to the wing
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Old 08-05-2025, 08:18 AM   #6866
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If he doesn’t it will be a lot of $$ for 20 points a year. Hoping we don’t find out why Philly gave up on him. My opinion last season was to get Frost we had to take Farabee
I don't think there is any doubt that Philly saw Farabee as a cap dump.

Calagry likely did also, but that was a risk they could afford to take.

It's why Frost only cost a 2nd round pick.
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Old 08-05-2025, 08:19 AM   #6867
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The easy solution is Smith to the wing
Frankly there was a lot of chatter before the draft about Misas ability to play C in the NHL too.

Its a good problem for SJ to have. Whoever can't hack it as a C can slide over to the wing out of Celebrini, Smith and Misa.

I wouldn't be trading top 3 picks until one of these guys proves to be an elite talent in the NHL, and it's just too early to make that call on any of these guys yet.

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Krebs is not it.
Never was, over hyped undersized winger who benefited from strong rosters in junior.
We’ve got a dozen prospects who are better than him right now.
Speculation earlier this summer that Jack Quinn might be an odd man out on the roster.

That would be a great trade. Quinn is slightly less good now but slightly younger, Canadian, and a righty. Farabee only slightly older, plays more of a 2 way game, and has regional connections in Buffalo. Also has a better career history.
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I don't think there is any doubt that Philly saw Farabee as a cap dump.

Calagry likely did also, but that was a risk they could afford to take.

It's why Frost only cost a 2nd round pick.
Except that isn't how it reportedly went down.

Original conversation involved Frost and Kuzmenko. Farabee and Pelletier were added as it got close.
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Old 08-05-2025, 09:20 AM   #6870
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Speculation earlier this summer that Jack Quinn might be an odd man out on the roster.

That would be a great trade. Quinn is slightly less good now but slightly younger, Canadian, and a righty. Farabee only slightly older, plays more of a 2 way game, and has regional connections in Buffalo. Also has a better career history.
If I was Buffalo, I would keep Krebs and move Quinn. He looks to be odd man out right now.

Krebs isn't panning out to be a top line guy, but he is trending towards very valuable player in a 2nd/3rd line role who brings energy, plays physical and can PK. Buffalo needs these players.
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Except that isn't how it reportedly went down.

Original conversation involved Frost and Kuzmenko. Farabee and Pelletier were added as it got close.
I don't think Farabee was a cap dump. More so planning future roles with the team. Not sure why Philly didn't look at Farabee as a great future 3rd line player, but with some new players coming into their lineup, he was just odd man out of the top 6.

Frost also was in a contract position, make a call, move on or commit
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Old 08-05-2025, 09:42 AM   #6872
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Krebs is not it.
Never was, over hyped undersized winger who benefited from strong rosters in junior.
We’ve got a dozen prospects who are better than him right now.
I doubt anyone would label him a prospect anymore. Is he a fit on the Flames right now? Probably not without moving someone out.

I do think he is a buy low candidate. His numbers got a pretty significant bump after the Cozens trade. His ice went up to the 16 mins a game range and he had 11 points in the last 17 games.

His PK numbers look good too and he isn't that small and likes to throw the body too. Might end up being a 3rd liner, but 2nd line center isn't out of the question. Local kid, maybe if we added him now and signed him long term, it would be a value contract.

If Conroy has something else brewing with a forward out, I would love to see Krebs added.
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Old 08-05-2025, 09:49 AM   #6873
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Except that isn't how it reportedly went down.

Original conversation involved Frost and Kuzmenko. Farabee and Pelletier were added as it got close.
Sounds like a cap dump to me . Philly included him to get a RFA back they didn’t qualify ? So they essentially gave him away for nothing in this scenario

And it could easily have been Kuz ++ for Frost and when Flames took Farabee the ++ came down to a 2nd
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Old 08-05-2025, 10:24 AM   #6874
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1952090060607889838
umm we got more for Lindholm than that!

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Speculation earlier this summer that Jack Quinn might be an odd man out on the roster.

That would be a great trade. Quinn is slightly less good now but slightly younger, Canadian, and a righty. Farabee only slightly older, plays more of a 2 way game, and has regional connections in Buffalo. Also has a better career history.
Quinn’s had lots of injury trouble and hasn’t been able to get into a rhythm yet. I think he still has a chance if he gets healthy. He’d be an interesting player to take a chance on.
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I guess it's time to update this trade tree.

To Calgary #Flames
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Eric Jamieson

To Philadelphia #Flyers
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It's funny how Farabee is viewed as a borderline cap dump even though he is actually younger than Frost and is one year removed from a career high of 22 goals, and 50 points both of which are numbers Frost has yet to eclipse.

Frost makes 4.375M and everyone was thrilled with that deal and Farabee makes 5M, and most think he vastly overpaid. Pretty wild.
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It's funny how Farabee is viewed as a borderline cap dump even though he is actually younger than Frost and is one year removed from a career high of 22 goals, and 50 points both of which are numbers Frost has yet to eclipse.

Frost makes 4.375M and everyone was thrilled with that deal and Farabee makes 5M, and most think he vastly overpaid. Pretty wild.
One plays centre, the other doesn’t.
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I’m not in a rush to trade Coleman or Farabee - it’s important to trade when value is high rather than low. But I think it would be good to have some 2nd/3rd line winger spots available for some young wingers in the system. I prefer not to depend on I jurors to make spots available. I’m hoping one of Honzek, Gridin, Basha, Suniev or Stromgren show well at camp and earn a spot on the roster.
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It's funny how Farabee is viewed as a borderline cap dump even though he is actually younger than Frost and is one year removed from a career high of 22 goals, and 50 points both of which are numbers Frost has yet to eclipse.

Frost makes 4.375M and everyone was thrilled with that deal and Farabee makes 5M, and most think he vastly overpaid. Pretty wild.
Frost has shown progression every year and Farabee has regressed.

Also, I'm sure it's more than just the counting stats. Maybe Philadelphia saw something in his play that was worrisome.

Or maybe they're just wrong, and Farabee bounces back and turns back into a hard-nosed, scoring middle-six winger well worth the 5M contract. Philly just wasn't willing to take that risk.
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