10-03-2006, 07:16 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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2 Canadian Soldiers Killed
Our soldiers seem to be dying at an alarming rate.
R.I.P.
Total CDN Deaths: 39
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Two Canadians were killed and five other soldiers injured in southern Afghanistan, military officials said Tuesday.
The soldiers were involved in a road construction project 20 kilometres west of Kandahar around 4:50 p.m. when they came under attack from a handful of insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles.
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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/1...to-killed.html
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10-03-2006, 07:27 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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It would be nice if these troops, including the Americans there, had a little more American support.
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10-03-2006, 09:42 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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PBS show Frontline, about the Taliban in Afganistan, is on at 10pm (MST, Shaw 14) if anyone is interested in learning a little more about who we're fighting over there.
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10-03-2006, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jayems
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Yes alarming....almost as many as Juno or Dieppe or Vimy Ridge
Where is Cut and Run Jack? 
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10-03-2006, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HOZ
Yes alarming....almost as many as Juno or Dieppe or Vimy Ridge
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10-03-2006, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Why don't you sign up?
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Oh boy...here we go again. If your opinion is "we should be in Afghanistan" (for the good of everyone I might add) then the only way you should have this opinion is if you are a member of the armed forces or you must sign up. Otherwise...how dare you have that opinion.
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10-03-2006, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HOZ
Yes alarming....almost as many as Juno or Dieppe or Vimy Ridge
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You're seriously not comparing death tolls in this war to previous conflicts, are you? In WWI, it was acceptable to lose 1000 lives to advance 100 yards.
Times have changed.
And yes, by modern standards, our soldiers are being killed at an alarming rate in Afghanistan.
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10-03-2006, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
Oh boy...here we go again. If your opinion is "we should be in Afghanistan" (for the good of everyone I might add) then the only way you should have this opinion is if you are a member of the armed forces or you must sign up. Otherwise...how dare you have that opinion.
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Lucky for you my opinion is we shouldn't be there right now. There's no point in fight a war we have no chance of winning.
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10-03-2006, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Lucky for you my opinion is we shouldn't be there right now. There's no point in fight a war we have no chance of winning.
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You know we have no chance to win? How do you think all those people that want us there, have new freedoms, women who can walk in the street, would feel about you saying. Hey...since it is a fight we can't win then screw you guys...you're on your own.
That fact alone is the reason I think we should be there, not to mention that, like a lot of Muslims claim, they are not all extremists, so why not stay and fight for the good of man kind?
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10-04-2006, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
You know we have no chance to win? How do you think all those people that want us there, have new freedoms, women who can walk in the street, would feel about you saying. Hey...since it is a fight we can't win then screw you guys...you're on your own.
That fact alone is the reason I think we should be there, not to mention that, like a lot of Muslims claim, they are not all extremists, so why not stay and fight for the good of man kind?
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Because it's an uphill battle that we have no chance of winning under the current conditions. The political culture and will isn't going to allow for a victory in afghanistan, so why should canadians be sacrificing their lives, when the government they are trying to protect is not particularly different than the one that was displaced?
How do you think all the families and friends of the canadian troops lost and injured feel about you saying it's worth it even if we can't win and impact significant change?
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10-04-2006, 12:40 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
You know we have no chance to win?
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Personally, I have no idea what our chances of winning are. The reason for that is I have no idea what "winning" looks like. What are our exit criteria? How will we know when the war is over? Will it be a sudden or staged withdrawal? Are we seeking military or political objectives? What are the benchmarks?
I'm not saying I oppose the war--at the time the invasion took place, going into Afghanistan was the only response to the outrage of 9/11 that made any sense. On the other hand, I am saying that it seems like more planning goes into starting wars than ending them--and this seems like a case where we need to at least start thinking about what those exit strategies are.
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10-04-2006, 12:44 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
when the government they are trying to protect is not particularly different than the one that was displaced?
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That's simply not true and you know it.
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10-04-2006, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
That's simply not true and you know it.
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You're right, I'm just lying through my teeth because I enjoy it.
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10-04-2006, 01:12 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
You're right, I'm just lying through my teeth because I enjoy it.
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I didn't call you a liar, I know how it feels.
You're misleading though.
The present Afghan government is markedly different from the Taliban.
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I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
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10-04-2006, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
I didn't call you a liar, I know how it feels.
You're misleading though.
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hahahahahahahaha
So saying something contrary to what I know to be true for the purpose of misleading or diversion isn't lying?
You should really look that word up.
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The present Afghan government is markedly different from the Taliban.
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In parts of Kabul, kind of, maybe, sorta.
This seems totally radical to the old taliban government
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10-04-2006, 01:54 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by HOZ
Where is Cut and Run Jack?
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This is hilarious. The biggest cut and runner around here is you.
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10-04-2006, 02:00 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
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The Afghani's may not see much difference but I see a difference. Hopefully their terrorist training grounds are being disrupted.
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10-04-2006, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Lucky for you my opinion is we shouldn't be there right now. There's no point in fight a war we have no chance of winning.
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Must be nice to be such a great armchair quarterback/philosopher.
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10-04-2006, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Because it's an uphill battle that we have no chance of winning under the current conditions. The political culture and will isn't going to allow for a victory in afghanistan, so why should canadians be sacrificing their lives, when the government they are trying to protect is not particularly different than the one that was displaced?
How do you think all the families and friends of the canadian troops lost and injured feel about you saying it's worth it even if we can't win and impact significant change?
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It is a significantly different government!
Holy crap batman!
The Afghani's want us there. A recent opinion poll out support at over 80%.
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10-04-2006, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Personally, I have no idea what our chances of winning are. The reason for that is I have no idea what "winning" looks like. What are our exit criteria? How will we know when the war is over? Will it be a sudden or staged withdrawal? Are we seeking military or political objectives? What are the benchmarks?
I'm not saying I oppose the war--at the time the invasion took place, going into Afghanistan was the only response to the outrage of 9/11 that made any sense. On the other hand, I am saying that it seems like more planning goes into starting wars than ending them--and this seems like a case where we need to at least start thinking about what those exit strategies are.
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We exit when the Afghani government is stable enough to take care of it's own internal and external security. Just like Iraq.
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