Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-12-2013, 10:03 AM   #1
redforever
Franchise Player
 
redforever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Exp:
Default Alberta Health Minister fires board of AHS

Alberta Health Minister Fred Horne has fired the board of Alberta Health Services, over the board's refusal to cancel bonuses for 99 executives.

http://www.newstalk770.com/News/Loca...spx?ID=1982962
redforever is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to redforever For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 10:09 AM   #2
Mean Mr. Mustard
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Exp:
Default

I wonder what the cost of the severance packages will be. That being said what I really hope occurs is a pruning of the management and examining the redundancies that exist within AHS, which is easier said than done.
Mean Mr. Mustard is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Mean Mr. Mustard For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 10:16 AM   #3
Stay Golden
Franchise Player
 
Stay Golden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
Exp:
Default

The problem with AHS is that the individuals at the the top that are suppose to be doing the regulating of abuse are the very ones committing the significant amount of abuse at AHS.
Also these massive severance packages must be a thing of the past. Rewarding scoundrels for neglecting their responsibilities while at AHS is absurd.
__________________
Stay Golden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 10:24 AM   #4
Mean Mr. Mustard
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Exp:
Default

I think that severance packages are common at high levels of management for major corporations (of which AHS is), so I can understand them being written into the contracts. The bigger issue is that the optics of giving bonuses out when there are cutbacks going on that impact people's day to day life is pretty iffy at best.

I don't think anyone has done anything wrong per say but I don't think that they have made themselves look good at all. How many people in oil and gas were eligible for a bonus this past year and turned it down?
Mean Mr. Mustard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #5
Kybosh
#1 Goaltender
 
Kybosh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: An all-inclusive.
Exp:
Default

People get bonuses? Whoa.
Kybosh is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kybosh For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #6
Slava
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Exp:
Default

I couldn't find it in the link, and am not really qualified in any sense of the word, but where do I apply?
Slava is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Slava For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 10:33 AM   #7
FFR
Powerplay Quarterback
 
FFR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Exp:
Default

I'm pretty sure the CTV story said that there would be no severence pay because they were fired.

Link:

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/horne-fire...oard-1.1322536

Quote:

He added that board members won't be getting any severance as a result of their firing.
FFR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 10:40 AM   #8
TheGrimm
Scoring Winger
 
TheGrimm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: In a van down by the river
Exp:
Default

Good riddance, if they couldn't see that what they were doing was beyond hypocritical... They got their comeuppance.
TheGrimm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 10:51 AM   #9
Northendzone
Franchise Player
 
Northendzone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Exp:
Default

seems to me that the AHS is one messed up organization
__________________
If I do not come back avenge my death
Northendzone is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Northendzone For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 10:54 AM   #10
Bring_Back_Shantz
Franchise Player
 
Bring_Back_Shantz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
Exp:
Default

I'm pretty sure the fact that there is no severance pay doesn't have anything to do with them being fired, but the fact that it is the board that was fired, and not actual executives.

I could be way wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure board members aren't entitled to that kind of stuff.
__________________
THE SHANTZ WILL RISE AGAIN.
<-----Check the Badge bitches. You want some Awesome, you come to me!
Bring_Back_Shantz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:01 AM   #11
Bmuzyka
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Also, if you are fired with just cause, doesn't that change the entitlement to severance? In this case, this board disobeyed a directive from an authority
Bmuzyka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:03 AM   #12
Minnie
Franchise Player
 
Minnie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
Exp:
Default

Oh wow. Well, this will be fun to watch play out in the media.
Minnie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:04 AM   #13
Knut
 
Knut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Exp:
Default

People i know that work for AHS for told to expect no Bonus' or raises for three years. Then the board does this. Glad they were shown the door. Very poor leadership.
Knut is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Knut For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 11:08 AM   #14
Bertuzzied
Lifetime Suspension
 
Bertuzzied's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
Exp:
Default

Great news. That AHS spokesperson was pretty arrogant yesterday at their news conference.
Bertuzzied is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:09 AM   #15
burn_this_city
Franchise Player
 
burn_this_city's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

The entire management system at AHS needs to be razed to the ground. The majority of waste and dysfunction is at the management level. People like to bitch about the Nurse and Doctor unions, but the cronyism in the management ranks is where the issue lies.
burn_this_city is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:13 AM   #16
DuffMan
Franchise Player
 
DuffMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
Exp:
Default

That's awesome. Fred Horne deserves a huge amount of credit for having the balls to do this.

AHC executive postions were out of control with entitlements and bad management.
__________________
Pass the bacon.
DuffMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:17 AM   #17
mykalberta
Franchise Player
 
mykalberta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Hahaha - awww government. Do things because they sound good - its really to bad North America has gone so many decades without proper leadership - gawd love democracy.

Why would an executive give up a contractual bonus just because some politico is trying to accommodate the lowest common denominator voter.

Bring on the wrongful dismissal lawsuits.
__________________
MYK - Supports Arizona to democtratically pass laws for the state of Arizona
Rudy was the only hope in 08
2011 Election: Cons 40% - Nanos 38% Ekos 34%
mykalberta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2013, 11:19 AM   #18
Mean Mr. Mustard
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by burn_this_city View Post
The entire management system at AHS needs to be razed to the ground. The majority of waste and dysfunction is at the management level. People like to bitch about the Nurse and Doctor unions, but the cronyism in the management ranks is where the issue lies.
The entire system is broken from people abusing the overtime system at the lower levels to the apparently obscene bonuses given to executives, people think of the funding as being part of an unlimited pot of money, not realizing that while they are taking with their right hand they are cutting off their feet. Right now there is a lack of accountability and the waste is evident throughout.

The issue lies throughout the health care system, unions are continually pushing for higher wages and then act surprised when there are cuts to positions. Anyone objectively looking at the situation could see the problems coming from a mile away.

The big money is being spent on keeping an elderly population alive for longer and longer periods of time.
Mean Mr. Mustard is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mean Mr. Mustard For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 11:19 AM   #19
burn_this_city
Franchise Player
 
burn_this_city's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

This is a good read regarding how management is structured versus how it should potentially operate.

http://www.converge-group.net/wp-con...in-Alberta.pdf
burn_this_city is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to burn_this_city For This Useful Post:
Old 06-12-2013, 11:21 AM   #20
PsYcNeT
Franchise Player
 
PsYcNeT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mykalberta View Post
Hahaha - awww government. Do things because they sound good - its really to bad North America has gone so many decades without proper leadership - gawd love democracy.

Why would an executive give up a contractual bonus just because some politico is trying to accommodate the lowest common denominator voter.

Bring on the wrongful dismissal lawsuits.
The only part of this post I understood is "the".
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm View Post
Settle down there, Temple Grandin.
PsYcNeT is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:41 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy