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Old 04-04-2010, 07:26 AM   #1
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Very riveting reading.

At the mercy of the machete mob: The terrifying isolation and almost suicidal courage of Zimbabwe's white farmers


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Old 04-04-2010, 07:51 AM   #2
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A terrible, terrible situation and human tragedy to be sure, but I get the impression that there was something deeper I'm supposed to get from this?
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:56 AM   #3
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A terrible, terrible situation and human tragedy to be sure, but I get the impression that there was something deeper I'm supposed to get from this?
Other than the Moon landing was faked.....nothing. If I find the book I will buy it. I am very curious to the final outcome of his parents.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:34 AM   #4
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Bumping this up, as interesting article that may have been lost in Easter fare.
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Would be nice to know the outcome.
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Very much sounds like Germany circa 1930's.

My largest surprise in this whole thing is that Morgan Tsvangarai signed a power-sharing deal with the Zanu-PF in 2008. To me, that's an admittance of defeat and that, without international intervention, this situation is unlikely to be resolved any time soon.
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I wonder why people with resources like that don't just leave. I don't know whether it's supposed to be "courage" or just stupidity.

Zimbabwe has made their own bed. Let them lie in it.
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I wonder why people with resources like that don't just leave.
Logically it makes sense to leave, but it's much easier to say when youre not the one who has to leave your homeland and place where you grew up.
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I wonder why people with resources like that don't just leave. I don't know whether it's supposed to be "courage" or just stupidity.

Zimbabwe has made their own bed. Let them lie in it.
To put it into perspective, many Albertan farmers (my Grandfather included) would have a very difficult time giving up the family farm even with fatal consequences looming for those that stay.

I do not concider this stupid at all. It's just hard to give up something that means that much to you.
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:39 PM   #10
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I'd go totally militant. Build a bunker on the property and lay booby traps. Have enough ammo to go waco if they tried to take the land. Probably wouldnt survive but you'd take a few down with you.
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Very much sounds like Germany circa 1930's.

My largest surprise in this whole thing is that Morgan Tsvangarai signed a power-sharing deal with the Zanu-PF in 2008. To me, that's an admittance of defeat and that, without international intervention, this situation is unlikely to be resolved any time soon.
If the white folks were ex SS and the black folks were jews.

I ain't saying that Zanu PF arn't anything but murdering thugs or that any white farmer deserves to die, none the less the history of oppression by the Smith government in the 60's and 70's in a pathetic attempt to keep power makes this definetly a bed that was made by the white population.
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Sounds like a cool book thanks, I just had it delivered to my Kindle.
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I wonder why people with resources like that don't just leave. I don't know whether it's supposed to be "courage" or just stupidity.

Zimbabwe has made their own bed. Let them lie in it.
The dad's family had been there for 350 years. That is a HELL of a long time. It's very understandable that they wouldn't want to give up their land, the life that they've only known.

That said, I do believe that family lines are more important than family property. At what point does this family give up and realize life and safety is more important than material well-being? I do admire their courage, however. If that's the route they choose to go, I completely respect that. But again... that mythical line needs to be determined. When is it crossed?
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The dad's family had been there for 350 years. That is a HELL of a long time. It's very understandable that they wouldn't want to give up their land, the life that they've only known.

That said, I do believe that family lines are more important than family property. At what point does this family give up and realize life and safety is more important than material well-being? I do admire their courage, however. If that's the route they choose to go, I completely respect that. But again... that mythical line needs to be determined. When is it crossed?
ASAP> People should NEVER get that attached to a place they live. If you look around the world, You'll notice that 75% of the worlds conflicts stem from people not knowing when to leave a bad situation.
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I hear if you bring a gun to a knife fight your chances of winning go up dramatically.

Machine gun vs machete mob = alot of dead people holding machetes.
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I hear if you bring a gun to a knife fight your chances of winning go up dramatically.

Machine gun vs machete mob = alot of dead people holding machetes.
Unless you are Belgian, a peacekeeper, and forced under UN protocol to hand over your weapon...
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Hahaha, forced by UN protocol to hand over your weapon. Yah as if anyone in that situation would comply with some bs UN protocol.

Its the rule of none, if you are going to die, you take as many of them as you can with you, and that means automatic weapons. In a lawless shathole like Zimbabwe it cant be difficult to get firearms.
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And here I thought you were talking about Carleton U. My mistake.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Machete...537/story.html
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I ain't saying that Zanu PF arn't anything but murdering thugs or that any white farmer deserves to die, none the less the history of oppression by the Smith government in the 60's and 70's in a pathetic attempt to keep power makes this definetly a bed that was made by the white population.
Nevertheless, the fact that turning over farms to people who don't know how to farm basically collapsed the food is just another reason why reparations are almost always a bad idea.
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