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jolinar of malkshor · 06-02-2007, 12:48 AM

The new smoking ban will apply to reservations, but already the band leaders are saying they will not abide by the law.

Ron Morin, the chief of the Enoch First Nation, said his group won't abide by a provincial directive to ban smoking.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...oking-ban.html

Suprise, suprise.

Option84 · 06-02-2007, 04:47 AM

Great, not only do we take their land, we also ban them from having the freedom to do what they want on the land they have left.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 06-02-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Option84

Great, not only do we take their land, we also ban them from having the freedom to do what they want on the land they have left.

I hate this arguement... I didn't take anyone's land... no one that reads this site went down and spread disease. Yes it is reprehensible what happened, no one will deny that (or at least they shouldn't) but how does that relate to certain bands deciding not to follow the laws of the land at the current time. It isn't as though it is a law designed to persecute native groups.... hell when you consider the addiction problems that run rampid on native reserves the leaders should be welcoming any initiatives designed to limit ones access to potentially addictive substances...

jolinar of malkshor · 06-02-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Option84

Great, not only do we take their land, we also ban them from having the freedom to do what they want on the land they have left.

Give me a break. No one is stopping them from having a puff on the old peace pipe now and then.

Maritime Q-Scout · 06-02-2007, 11:38 AM

can they do that? I thought that native reserves fell under federal jurisdiction and provincial statues needn't apply. I could be mistaken though.

lifer · 06-02-2007, 02:24 PM

ummm...this is a tough one. I think since reserves are more of a private dwelling than a city is, I dont really mind if they are given the option of going to no smoking. Perhaps a referendum in each of the reserves is the most fair solution.

Phaneuf3 · 06-02-2007, 02:58 PM

neat. i'm going to choose which laws i follow and which i don't too because one of my ancestors probably got mistreated at sometime by someone.

jolinar of malkshor · 06-02-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lifer

ummm...this is a tough one. I think since reserves are more of a private dwelling than a city is, I dont really mind if they are given the option of going to no smoking. Perhaps a referendum in each of the reserves is the most fair solution.

How is a Casino on a resevation similar to a private dwelling?

FireFly · 06-02-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

How is a Casino on a resevation similar to a private dwelling?

The government does not have the right to regulare the goings on inside of it. This is what 'self-government' means. They police themselves and make their own laws... to a certain extent. I don't think the provincial government has the right to ban smoking on what is essentially private property. They tried it in BC and you can still smoke in bars on reserves in BC. At least, you could the last time I was there.

CrusaderPi · 06-02-2007, 05:49 PM

In cases of Canadian race relations I always believe our two tier system of racial rights will continue until proven otherwise.

So following that rule, smoking will still be allowed in public places on reserves.

jolinar of malkshor · 06-02-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

The government does not have the right to regulare the goings on inside of it. This is what 'self-government' means. They police themselves and make their own laws... to a certain extent. I don't think the provincial government has the right to ban smoking on what is essentially private property. They tried it in BC and you can still smoke in bars on reserves in BC. At least, you could the last time I was there.

So...your tying to tell me that no provincial laws can be enforced on native lands?

jolinar of malkshor · 06-02-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

The government does not have the right to regulare the goings on inside of it. This is what 'self-government' means. They police themselves and make their own laws... to a certain extent. I don't think the provincial government has the right to ban smoking on what is essentially private property. They tried it in BC and you can still smoke in bars on reserves in BC. At least, you could the last time I was there.

This judge in Manitoba struck down their smoking law because it DIDN'T include native lands.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/08...an-appeal.html

FireFly · 06-02-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

So...your tying to tell me that no provincial laws can be enforced on native lands?

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that they have to be treated as private property.

FireFly · 06-02-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

This judge in Manitoba struck down their smoking law because it DIDN'T include native lands.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/08...an-appeal.html

That's lovely. Doesn't change BC laws, or the unlikelihood that that an all-encompassing law could be passed.

jolinar of malkshor · 06-02-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

That's lovely. Doesn't change BC laws, or the unlikelihood that that an all-encompassing law could be passed.

Well Firefly....you nor I are Constitutional experts so we will have to wait and see what plays out in the Supreme Court. I know what you are saying but I think you are making it way to generalized as to say they have to be treated as private property, when that is not the case.

Resolute 14 · 06-02-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Option84

Great, not only do we take their land, we also ban them from having the freedom to do what they want on the land they have left.

When they pay the same taxes I do, they can have the same voice I do.

lifer · 06-02-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

How is a Casino on a resevation similar to a private dwelling?

Sorry. I have to cite laziness. I didn't read the article. I responded to the title under the impression that reserves had special rules about them, where native culture should dominate. If smoking isn't as frowned apon in a culture, I think they should be allowed to do what they want, hence my referrendum comment. If it's in casinos where they want us to come spend our money, my opinion is that the smoking ban should stand.

chris lindberg · 06-03-2007, 09:18 AM

Can a Native Canadian Indian even own a house on a reserve?

Mean Mr. Mustard · 06-03-2007, 12:24 PM

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When they pay the same taxes I do, they can have the same voice I do.

So you are saying that someone who doesn't pay taxes due to the treaty agreed upon by the government don't deserve the same rights as you do? Where do you draw the line there, do natives not deserve the right to vote, I mean that is the way that the majority of us express our voice, through the ballot box. I hope I am just not understanding your arguement on this one.

chris lindberg · 06-03-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

When they pay the same taxes I do, they can have the same voice I do.

Wow, is this what you tell your Native friends too!