Strengths: The Calgary Flames have undergone an incredible amount of organizational turnover the past couple of seasons, but a promising vision for the future appears to be finally taking shape. They currently have a young, talented NHL roster, headlined by prospects such as Johnny Gaudreau, Josh Jooris, Sven Baertschi, and Markus Granlund – not to mention Sam Bennett, who is currently recovering from shoulder surgery. Their AHL system is well stocked, too, with Emile Poirier, Bill Arnold, Michael Ferland, and others pushing for NHL jobs. There are even more talented forwards at the NCAA and CHL levels, with Mark Jankowski, Morgan Klimchuk, and Hunter Smith all showing various degrees of promise. The Flames also have a few promising defensemen, such as Tyler Wotherspoon, who are close to NHL-ready. The goaltending pool is not particularly deep, but the prospects that are there – Mason McDonald, Jon Gillies, and Joni Ortio – have good potential.
Weaknesses: The Flames have great depth on defense, but the system lacks a high-end, puck-moving defenseman who can transition the puck up ice and run the power play. As mentioned earlier, the Flames have several quality goaltending prospects, but the position lacks depth.
Top 5 Prospects: 1. Johnny Gaudreau, LW; 2. Sam Bennett, C; 3. Sven Baertschi, LW; 4. Max Reinhart, C; 5. Markus Granlund, C.
Key Additions: Sam Bennett (2014), Mason McDonald (2014), Hunter Smith (2014), Sena Acolatse (free agent)
The top 3 prospects mimic what CP had ranked during the summer rankings I believe.
Edmonton is #25
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It was mentioned a thread in the Prospects section, but probably a little buried for most.
The only thing that really stands out in their Top 5 of our prospects is having Max Reinhart included. He's one guy who I think has regressed a bit over the last year in terms of depth. I think you could make a very strong case for guys like Poirier (who I see at #3 overall), Ferland, Wootherspoon, Gillies, Klimchuk etc being considered ahead of him on such a list.
It was mentioned a thread in the Prospects section, but probably a little buried for most.
The only thing that really stands out in their Top 5 of our prospects is having Max Reinhart included. He's one guy who I think has regressed a bit over the last year in terms of depth. I think you could make a very strong case for guys like Poirier (who I see at #3 overall), Ferland, Wootherspoon, Gillies, Klimchuk etc being considered ahead of him on such a list.
HF has always overrated Reinhart - his prospect grade should be a full point down. The players you mentioned are certainly ahead of Reinhart .
The Flames have moved from 30th to 2nd in four years. Those strengths/weaknesses assessments are a lot of fun to read a few years later, knowing how things have turned out with a few of those players ...
FALL 2010 - 30th
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Strengths: The Flames are deficient in a number of areas, but a couple things they have in spades coming up through the ranks are grit and leadership. Players like Greg Nemisz, Brett Sutter, and Matt Pelech embody the Sutter-esque tireless work ethic and lead-by-example mentality. There are also some quality puck-movers on the back end in Tim Erixon and T.J. Brodie for the Flames faithful to look forward to.
Weaknesses: That said, there is almost a complete lack of elite talent in the Flames system. The team’s 2007 first round pick Mikael Backlund has top line talent and has been progressing nicely, however the talent of the prospects drops sharply after that. Even once highly-touted netminder Leland Irving has failed to progress as expected, joining the ranks of an underwhelming bunch in Calgary.
Top 5 Prospects: 1. Mikael Backlund, C, 2. Tim Erixon, D, 3. Greg Nemisz, RW, 4. Mitch Wahl, C, 5. T.J. Brodie, D.
FALL 2011 - 26th
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Strengths: The Flames have made solid improvements to their overall depth at all of the positions. The biggest improvement has been at the forward position by the adding of high-end offensively skilled talent like Sven Baertschi, Paul Byron, and Roman Horak. The Flames have also seen solid offensive improvement from Max Reinhart, Greg Nemisz, Michael Ferland, Ryan Howse, and Patrick Holland over the past year.
Weaknesses: The Flames don't have a high-end puck moving defenseman and generally lack depth on the blue line. The team's young offensively skilled forwards are still a few years away from replacing the Flames' aging forwards on their starting roster. Leland Irving is a talented goaltending prospect but the pool is thin behind him.
Top 5 prospects: 1. Sven Baertschi, LW, 2. T.J. Brodie, D, 3. Greg Nemisz, RW, 4. Leland Irving, G. 5. Max Reinhart, C.
FALL 2012 - 23rd
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Strengths: After years of poor draft selections, trading away draft picks, and bad player development, the Flames have slowly improved their organizational depth and talent pool over the last few years. Calgary has added some high end talent at the center and the left wing while acquiring and developing more depth and versatile prospects. The Flames also have a very good stock of young goaltenders.
Weaknesses: Calgary has no highly skilled prospects at right wing nor does the organization have any prospects in the CHL, NCAA, or Europe at that position. The Flames' defensive depth is okay but nothing to get excited over. The organization lacks an impactful, puck-moving defenseman.
Top 5 Prospects: 1. Sven Baertschi, LW; 2. T.J. Brodie, D; 3. Max Reinhart, C; 4. John Gaudreau, LW; 5. Mark Jankowski, C.
FALL 2013 - 13th
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Strengths: The Calgary Flames have strengthened their organizational depth and talent in their prospect pool over the last several years. They have added leadership, character, physicality, and better speed to their system. The organization possesses a good group of versatile forwards, including several with high-end potential at center and left wing, led by current NHL players Sean Monahan and Sven Baertschi. The Flames have a good young goaltender with NHL potential in Providence College goalie Jon Gillies.
Weaknesses: The right wing position is lacking in depth and its overall skill level still requires upgrading. Despite having a good mix of size, physicality, and skill among their defensemen, the Flames are still in need of a mobile, offensive puck-mover in their prospect pipeline. The goaltending pool is shallow and the Flames could stand to add more depth.
Top 5 Prospects: 1. Sven Baertschi, LW; 2. Sean Monahan, C; 3. Johnny Gaudreau, LW; 4. Max Reinhart, C; 5. Mark Jankowski, C.
FALL 2014 - 2nd
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Strengths: The Calgary Flames have undergone an incredible amount of organizational turnover the past couple of seasons, but a promising vision for the future appears to be finally taking shape. They currently have a young, talented NHL roster, headlined by prospects such as Johnny Gaudreau, Josh Jooris, Sven Baertschi, and Markus Granlund – not to mention Sam Bennett, who is currently recovering from shoulder surgery. Their AHL system is well stocked, too, with Emile Poirier, Bill Arnold, Michael Ferland, and others pushing for NHL jobs. There are even more talented forwards at the NCAA and CHL levels, with Mark Jankowski, Morgan Klimchuk, and Hunter Smith all showing various degrees of promise. The Flames also have a few promising defensemen, such as Tyler Wotherspoon, who are close to NHL-ready. The goaltending pool is not particularly deep, but the prospects that are there – Mason McDonald, Jon Gillies, and Joni Ortio – have good potential.
Weaknesses: The Flames have great depth on defense, but the system lacks a high-end, puck-moving defenseman who can transition the puck up ice and run the power play. As mentioned earlier, the Flames have several quality goaltending prospects, but the position lacks depth.
Top 5 Prospects: 1. Johnny Gaudreau, LW; 2. Sam Bennett, C; 3. Sven Baertschi, LW; 4. Max Reinhart, C; 5. Markus Granlund, C.
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I find it incredibly amazing how we're that high up on the list with no top 3 picks ever and our only franchise top 5 pick just this past June. It's really, really awesome.
But what might be more amazing is how Edmonton has that kind of depth after all of the high picks they've gotten. This is after anywhere from 4-8 years of rebuilding depending on who you speak to? There's no words.
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with the way the Islanders are playing, Buffalo might have taken the pick last year but i can understand them choosing next year based on the hope that the islanders would be a lottery team
with the way the Islanders are playing, Buffalo might have taken the pick last year but i can understand them choosing next year based on the hope that the islanders would be a lottery team
it was not the Sabres' choice. The Islanders could give them either the 14 or 15 pick and they decided to give them next years pick. At this point, it looks like a wise choice.
Will be fun to read the anger posts from other fan bases as they try to argue that the Flames shouldn't be ranked so highly. Seems there is always so much bickering on these lists every year. I do think Buffalo has the most prospect talent, and now it will be interesting to watch as how they develop them and start bringing them into the NHL slowly. They have quite the task ahead of them changing the culture of that team now, and turning themselves around. I would bet that they will be able to.
Cube, does it appear that Buffalo's prospects are being properly developed? From an outsider looking in, they seem to be bringing their guys up slowly now, which I think is the right way. Does Nolan seem to be the guy to keep around the youth?
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Don't understand the goaltending depth comment... do teams usually have more than three fairly highly regarded goalie prospects at one time?
I'm guessing the issue is goalies who could step in this year if needed. Gillies is in college, MacDonald is in the Q, so it looks a little weak once you get past Ortio if we run into injury issues.
It was mentioned a thread in the Prospects section, but probably a little buried for most.
The only thing that really stands out in their Top 5 of our prospects is having Max Reinhart included. He's one guy who I think has regressed a bit over the last year in terms of depth. I think you could make a very strong case for guys like Poirier (who I see at #3 overall), Ferland, Wootherspoon, Gillies, Klimchuk etc being considered ahead of him on such a list.
And Jooris has screamed past a bunch of guys. For me, it's:
Gaudreau
Bennett
Baertschi
Poirier
Jooris
Ferland
Wotherspoon
Klimchuk
Reinhart
Arnold
as a top ten at this point in time
(even though Jooris has solidified himself as a legitimate NHLer, I still think Baertschi and Poirier have enough upside to be listed ahead of him)
If I don't care about HF and write them off as amateurs when they ranked the Flames low, can I suddenly put a lot of stock in their valuation when they rank the Flames high?
(that was rhetorical)
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But what might be more amazing is how Edmonton has that kind of depth after all of the high picks they've gotten. This is after anywhere from 4-8 years of rebuilding depending on who you speak to? There's no words.
There are two words.
NO
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