What Flames Face Buyout at End of Season?

[Bmuzyka]

I downloaded last years stats, and was looking at different formulas to weigh player performance, and it made me think of players who may be up for Buyouts. Now, I only have looked at players who played 41 games or more. Now, I am looking at this strictly from a stats point of view and not salary

#1 Tim Jackman
He played 75 Games last year, and tied Bouwmeester for lowest +/-, however, he also averaged 1.25 PIMs per game, compared to Boewmeester's more respectable 0.31. He also only averaged 0.09 Points per game compared to 0.35 Points per game for Jay.

He was the one that stood out. The only other one that stood out to me was:
#2 Tom Kostopoulos
He played 81 Games, and had a +/- of -15. By my weighted scale of PPG/PIMs Per Game he is 3rd lowest on the Team with only 0.15 Points per Game and 0.7 PIMs Per Game
But he is currently a free agent, but based on those stats, it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't get signed.

It was just something interesting I am looking at. I want to see if I can add salary into the spreadsheet and calculate a weighted value based on pay.

[ComixZone]

Matt Stajan...unless he has some sort of (unlikely) magical turn around season.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Matt Stajan...unless he has some sort of (unlikely) magical turn around season.

Only one I can see as being the potential candidate actually. He'll have one year left at 3.5 million.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hopefully nobody, because hopefully every player has a great season and makes buying them out something nobody wants to see happen.

[Muffins]

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=123057

[topfiverecords]

If I'm Feaster I'm definitely buying out Fata at the end of the year.

[SeanCharles]

Without having your answer simply be we need salary to reach the floor, which may end up being the case, who could Burke buyout?

We do still have 2 compliance buyouts that expire at the end of this offseason...It seems foolish to waste these when we have some guys that are prime candidates:

-I was against it at certain points but Jones' shoulder has a nagging injury and @ $4mill for 2 more seasons he might be worth buying out.

-This makes the Tanguay trade look horrid, which is no surprise, but O'Brien might be worth buying out rather than pay him $2mill to play in the A (which I'm not totally against).

I really think these guys could be bought out. The salary cap will work it self out after we re-sign our RFA's as well as UFA's, be it Westgarth &/or Butler or someone new, and possibly make some trades.

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[btimbit]

Galiardi and Jones, trade SOB with retained salary or just keep him in Abby.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Without having your answer simply be we need salary to reach the floor, which may end up being the case, who could Burke buyout?

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If the Flames were smart, and if ownership is okay, they should try and acquire dead weight from other teams to buy out and pick up assets in the process.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Galiardi and Jones, trade SOB with retained salary or just keep him in Abby.

Galiardi is a RFA...

[Muta]

Isn't Galiardi an RFA anyways? No buyout needed there.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Without having your answer simply be we need salary to reach the floor, which may end up being the case, who could Burke buyout?

We do still have 2 compliance buyouts that expire at the end of this offseason...It seems foolish to waste these when we have some guys that are prime candidates:

-I was against it at certain points but Jones' shoulder has a nagging injury and @ $4mill for 2 more seasons he might be worth buying out.

-This makes the Tanguay trade look horrid, which is no surprise, but O'Brien might be worth buying out rather than pay him $2mill to play in the A (which I'm not totally against).

I really think these guys could be bought out. The salary cap will work it self out after we re-sign our RFA's as well as UFA's, be it Westgarth &/or Butler or someone new, and possibly make some trades.

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Why would we buy these players out? We need salary to reach the floor.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why would we buy these players out? We need salary to reach the floor.

Ha we got a comedian around here!

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Galiardi is a RFA...

That's right too, completely forgot about that.

Not sure I can think of someone else then. Jones is the only one I can think of.

As far as hitting the cap floor, I'd rather overpay someone who is at least good in their role (Bouma, Byron and Colborne, throw a bunch of money at Cammy, re-sign Westgarth?) than just spend money on someone for the sake of spending money on them.

[Jacks]

Capgeek has Galiardi as a UFA.
Edit: Oops, read that wrong, he is a RFA.

We are already going to have trouble making the floor, buying out Jones would make it worse.

[Robbob]

Yeah the Flames shouldn't worry about using the compliance buyout on anyone. Unless they can take someone's garbage and turn it into an asset there is no point (even in that case they may be better off just taking the regular buyout penalty).

[SuperMatt18]

O'Brien is really the only answer. Might as well buy him out instead of him taking a spot in the AHL.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'd rather seriously overpay a good player than keep Jones and O'Brien if meeting the cap floor is what worries people.

Given that it will only be year 2 of the rebuild though, I say keep them and hope that they redeem themselves enough to at least fetch a draft pick next season.

[BigFlameDog]

I love how some of you say "overpay" for a player.....just throw the whole salary structure out of whack by over paying for some junk player to reach the floor. Ridiculous.....you are the ones who would be complaining the most when our own junk player scores as many goals as that junk player and wants that dough.

Or the flames could keep the junk they already have?

[getbak]

With the Flames current cap situation, it makes no sense for them to use any compliance buyouts.

Whether you use a compliance buyout or a regular buyout, the actual dollars going out the door are the same. With a compliance buyout, the only difference is that you don't take the cap hit that's usually attached to a buyout. Because the Flames may be hard-pressed to reach the floor next year, if they did want to buyout anyone, they'd be better off taking the full cap hit.


The best option for the Flames would be retained-salary trades for players like Jones, O'Brien, and Wideman. Really, those are the only three I'd consider buying out or retaining salary. Everyone else should be kept, or moved at full value.


By all accounts, O'Brien has been a good guy in Abbotsford (I believe Wotherspoon mentioned him as a good sounding-board about what it takes to make it in the NHL), so it's not the end of the world if he plays out his contract in the AHL. The only question is whether he'd still have a good attitude about it next year.