Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does the word "exasperated" work for you?

Only if you think government policy made the housing market feel annoyed.


And really, it's less a housing thing and more an inflation thing. Under this government, rents have risen at roughly the same rate as inflation has just like they did in 9 years under Harper. And real residential housing prices have actually risen less under Trudeau's government than they did under Harper (about 30% vs. 40%) and are currently no higher than they were 7 years ago.

The bigger issue is one of inequality and wealth disparity which means a significant chunk of the population is being left behind, and that is indeed something that has been brewing for decades. Aggregate stats (i.e. median real wages, median wealth, unemployment rate, etc.) can look OK, but a lot of people (particularly young people) are being pinched. Unfortunately neither of the two corporate friendly parties seem interested in tackling that because it means working against entrenched interests (large corporations, wealthy homeowners, etc.).

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Basically the interpreters and their families for the most part had to find their own way out, while hiding from the Taliban, and being given very little assistance.

But embassy staff that weren't Canadians were including security personal were told that they were on their own.

Of course the embassy staff were the first ones on the planes leaving a complete mess.

First he stole valour, now this, and this is misappropriation of personal and equipment.

He needs to be sacked.

CBC has a bit of a write up.

And the race card defense.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saj...stan-1.7248417

Then-defence minister Harjit Sajjan relayed information to the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) about how to rescue Sikhs in Afghanistan while troops were trying to get Canadians out of Kabul as it was falling to the Taliban in August of 2021.

Sajjan confirmed he did relay information to the armed forces provided to him by a Canadian Sikh group — a non-governmental organization (NGO) that was encouraging the Canadian government to rescue Afghan Sikhs and resettle them in this country.

The Globe and Mail published a different interpretation of those events on Thursday.

The paper, citing unnamed sources, said that Sajjan, who currently serves as the minister for emergency preparedness, "instructed Canadian special forces to rescue about 225 Afghan Sikhs" — members of a religious minority in Afghanistan — who were "not considered an operational priority for the Canadian military as they had no link to Canada."

After interpreting Sajjan's communications about the Afghan Sikhs as an order from the minister to rescue them, Canadian special forces tried to track the Sikhs down and bring them to the airport to be flown out to safety, the paper reported.

The Globe and Mail said some of its military sources felt "Sajjan was out of line in pressing Canadian special forces to rescue the Afghan Sikhs" because the operation involved "intense planning and it meant fewer soldiers were available to screen people awaiting the last flights out of Kabul."

Sajjan suggested that his actions are only now being construed as something improper because he's a Sikh.

[CaptainCrunch]

The bull#### by Sajjan who in the past, stole valour twice, ignored woman calling for help in the forces who were facing sexual harassment and worse to protect his buddy and CDS. Used to courts for a vendetta against Mark Norman, that probably led to a 7 figure settlement for Norman. Oh and now misappropriated men and equipment, putting them at risk to rescue these Sikh's, meanwhile Interpreters and their families fleeing the Taliban were basically told they were on their own, and had to literally find wifi and take time to fill in paper work in Afghanistan while on the run. Oh top of that the non Canadian embassy staff, ie security, were told they were on their way out.

But Sajjan, the "Architect", has to do his own thing. And there are more questions that I would like to see answered. How did these Sikh's that have nothing to do with Canadians get the paperwork to get through Taliban checkpoints? And yes, as much as we can say, the Commander on the ground should have refused or questioned the mission, it doesn't work like that, the MND makes a suggestion, and its actually a god level order.

In a proper world, Sajjan should have been fired long ago, not allowed to resign, and keep his pensions. But been fired period. If a General in the Military did this, he would have been court marshalled and spent 2 years less a day in prison.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The bull#### by Sajjan who in the past, stole valour twice, ignored woman calling for help in the forces who were facing sexual harassment and worse to protect his buddy and CDS. Used to courts for a vendetta against Mark Norman, that probably led to a 7 figure settlement for Norman. Oh and now misappropriated men and equipment, putting them at risk to rescue these Sikh's, meanwhile Interpreters and their families fleeing the Taliban were basically told they were on their own, and had to literally find wifi and take time to fill in paper work in Afghanistan while on the run. Oh top of that the non Canadian embassy staff, ie security, were told they were on their way out.

But Sajjan, the "Architect", has to do his own thing. And there are more questions that I would like to see answered. How did these Sikh's that have nothing to do with Canadians get the paperwork to get through Taliban checkpoints? And yes, as much as we can say, the Commander on the ground should have refused or questioned the mission, it doesn't work like that, the MND makes a suggestion, and its actually a god level order.

In a proper world, Sajjan should have been fired long ago, not allowed to resign, and keep his pensions. But been fired period. If a General in the Military did this, he would have been court marshalled and spent 2 years less a day in prison.

Fully agree with your post, Generals in the military don't really need to worry about large Sikh populations in vote rich southern BC and Ontario. A white guy (Trudeau) firing a visible minority like Sajjan doesn't play too well in a Temple when your trying to salvage votes.

Nothing wrong with playing politics but people can cut the BS and call things for what they are. This guy was beyond useless in every regard but filled enough boxes to get what needed to be done, done.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Fully agree with your post, Generals in the military don't really need to worry about large Sikh populations in vote rich southern BC and Ontario. A white guy (Trudeau) firing a visible minority like Sajjan doesn't play too well in a Temple when your trying to salvage votes.

Nothing wrong with playing politics but people can cut the BS and call things for what they are. This guy was beyond useless in every regard but filled enough boxes to get what needed to be done, done.

They've protected him for too long, mainly because he's one of their biggest fundraisers.


Its too bad they can't call him back to uniform and courtmarshall him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is nonsense. The housing issues have been decades in the making.

They have been. But housing affordability became much worse in the last 10 years.

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/hi...ome-in-canada/

And you could say the same about the health care capacity crisis (the third ranked issue with voters) - decades in the making.

That’s the deal with forming the government for a decade. To the public, you own all the problems at that point. Welcome to politics.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Seriously?
They were awaiting trial for other crimes and found the time to get in a little recreational carjacking.

So like did they have a surety or not?

Did they put up cash or not?

Do you understand the various forms of release and what they mean?

You understand if an accused is originally released by an officer in charge understaking that the court can't jump to a surety, right?

I'm not arguing what the law should or shouldn't be, but what it is.

[Firebot]

Great news! Westjet strike averted thanks to the Liberal-NDP coalition!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...page-1.7248086

Considering iggy_oi's staunch defense of Liberals-NDP transgressions he should be quite happy to defend this one.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Great news! Westjet strike averted thanks to the Liberal-NDP coalition!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...page-1.7248086

Considering iggy_oi's staunch defense of Liberals-NDP transgressions he should be quite happy to defend this one.

So you’re also gonna pretend like you give a rats ass about workers rights when it’s convenient? Easy money.

Calling out the hypocrisy of certain posters isn’t the same thing as defending the government no matter how desperately you try to spin it as such

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Great news! Westjet strike averted thanks to the Liberal-NDP coalition!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...page-1.7248086

Didn't realize the NDP held a cabinet position.

[btimbit]

Edit: lol nvm

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They've protected him for too long, mainly because he's one of their biggest fundraisers.


Its too bad they can't call him back to uniform and courtmarshall him.

People are so obsessed with Trump. When we have the Liberals treating Canada to cynical politics on a scale never seen before. Using our country as its own piggy bank and treating its citizens as plebs with a full course of manipulation tactics to keep us more worried about anyone but them.

Call is coming from inside the house. Most Canadians now see that.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

People are so obsessed with Trump. When we have the Liberals treating Canada to cynical politics on a scale never seen before. Using our country as its own piggy bank and treating its citizens as plebs with a full course of manipulation tactics to keep us more worried about anyone but them.

Call is coming from inside the house. Most Canadians now see that.

The conflation of Trump and our current liberal party is a thinly veiled joke made by people who truly have no self reflection, and to deflect and accuse other of the opposite is a bit of a joke.

Trump's family and organization have directly and frequently leveraged their positions in government to coerce spending in their business ventures. He has showed a complete lack of remorse for weather accidental or purposeful put him at the head of a coup attempt, one which has the stated of intention of repeating. Created the lack of government infrastructure that allowed Covid to cycle the global so quickly, and the financial situation for the inflationary super cycle that followed. He is weak, doting and subordinate around strong men which has lead to Iran and N Korea being far more belligerent on the world stage than they had been prior to his predecessor. Russia has looked to that example and his language minimizing the most powerful and successful defense alliance in the history of the world, and decided that they could afford a land war in Europe. And beyond all of that even if you can excuse the lying and rampant criminality, he frequently use the exact same language that led to the holocaust. All of this before you get into the very direct harm that his lies, statements and actions have had towards pregnant women, ivermectin sucking conspiracy theorists, people in the paths of hurricanes, gun victims, children who are in emotional destress....

In contrast, Trudeau has engage in some no good, but perfectly run of the mill political scandals that will probably as the investigations continue rise to the level of misdemeanor and not criminal, and extended to the vast majority of parliament including the very conservatives whos supporters are so fond of saying lock him up. Usually his political scandals have emerged from using self justification like 'I'm the good guy, so it's ok if I take Chinas money to win' or his token dithering indecisiveness, or rather pathetic attempts to cover up something that didn't even directly involve him in the first place. A massive contrast from someone who is actively trying to dismantle the global post WWII order.

[Ozy_Flame]

If anyone is curious, the Investigative Journalist Foundation has a great interactive article about the lobbyists connected to Justin Trudeau, PP, and Jagmeet Singh.

IJF: Meet the lobbyists connected to Canada's federal party leaders

[chemgear]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...-live-updates/

Canada’s inflation rate accelerated to 2.9% in May, weakening case for BoC rate cut in July

https://twitter.com/user/status/1805675783303971224

[Fuzz]

Check out that Alberta Advantage!

[Ozy_Flame]

That article is paywalled. What is the link between Rent increase CPI and Canada's inflation rate?

And, for 2024 context:

Jan 2024: 2.9%
Feb 2024: 2.8%
Mar 2024: 2.9%
Apr 2024: 2.7%
May 2024: 2.9%

Also, from the Bank of Canada Monetary Report (April 2024):

The Bank projects that inflation will stay around 3% into the second quarter of 2024, ease below 2.5% in the second half of the year and return to target in 2025.

And a historical reference:

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Check out that Alberta Advantage!

Probably a continuation of our hefty immigration and interprovincial population increases.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775526087235387773

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Probably a continuation of our hefty immigration and interprovincial population increases.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775526087235387773

By that logic Quebec, Ontario and Saskatchewan wouldn’t be ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th highest respectively for inflation. Our inflation being the highest probably has more to do with Albertans having higher incomes that landowners can gouge them for.