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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Can you find the post I said the season is a waste ?
They should absolutely not be moving draft picks for more middle 6 players. If you can find me an elite top line player available that can be had for a draft pick let me know.
I’ve literally said they have overachieved and it’s by outworking their opponent and on the back of Wolf. That doesn’t mean you start abandoning the build and move picks for junk like a Cozens or dip into free agency for a Rantanen. Those are the hypotheticals being discussed.
The team lacks the elite talent to take the next step. They don’t have a #1C and unless a Eichel suddenly happens the draft is the most likely way to grab one.
Prior to the season I’ve been saying Wolf is going to be a star. So what he’s doing now isn’t a surprise but this quickly it is.
Yes I did say that it might be an upper management and ownership issue the second they smell a playoff spot they can’t stomach seeing through a proper rebuild.
But you do you man make stuff up to hunt for likes from Burning Beard and Dino.
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Monahammer said the season was a waste and you were just grouped in with him because your guys posts have been similar tone the past week or so (and both at a very high frequency)
Both of you are getting frustrated about hypothetical situations that haven't happened yet, especially around the narrative of abandoning the retool already to try to squeak in as an 8 seed or moving 1st round picks for non-impactful players.
And both seem to be continuing the narrative that somehow Conroy should have done more to ensure a top 5 pick when 95% of people thought they would be drafting in that 5-10 range (lots of people did rightfully predict it would be hard to out suck Chicago, San Jose, etc) and the roster looked pretty flawed in the offseason.
In the end I do get the frustration too, the team needs elite talent and the best way of doing that is early in the draft (although I don't get why people would be against giving up nothing but $$ to sign Rantanen as a UFA in that scenario, since he is an elite talent). But in the end you can't fight the natural momentum and constantly lamenting that they aren't picking top 5 this year doesn't really change anything.
I've mentioned it before but I'm a firm believer that you need to lean into the bad seasons, even if they are unexpected (like Nashville this year) and you can't intentionally sabotage a good season even if it's not what was expected. (Like the Flames this year or in 14-15)
As long as you don't overreact one way or another to those things and stick to the plan it's mostly fine.
Like Nashville for example would be foolish to panic - lots went wrong this year. From Saros having a down season, to Stamkos and Marchessault taking time to adjust, to many other things. But Trotz overreacting to that would be a mistake. Take your top 5 pick, keep your 3 1st rounders this year, and just continue to build.
And it's the same thing for the Flames. Fortunately they have no major UFAs this year that would give them a tough decision on if they should move them, or hang on to try to make the playoffs. They have the benefit of time, they can play out this season, they can continue to look for trades that benefit the team long term which has always been the plan, and they can also reassess pieces like Andersson, Kadri, Coleman, etc in the offseason.
As long as they don't overreact and try to change the plan to trade for low upside veterans (and it doesn't seem like they are) then it's not a big deal. You just continue to build an add pieces (draft, trade, or free agency) to try to build the best possible team long term with the assets at your disposal.