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Old 06-03-2024, 10:17 AM   #7299
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Civilian deaths as a percentage of total deaths in this war are not out of line with other conflicts:

WWII - 60-70% civilians
Korea - 75% civilians
Vietnam - 67% civilians
Chechnya - 87% civilians
NATO in Yugoslavia - 50% civilians
NATO in Afghanistan - 28% civilians
IRAQ II - 33% civilians
Battle of Mosul vs ISIS (probably the most similar) - ~50% civilians

For the Hamas attack on Oct 7 - 67% civilians (plus unknown hostage deaths)

For the Israeli counterattack in Gaza:
Hamas' estimate - 67%-100% civilians
Israel's estimate - 50% civilians
US estimate - 60% civilians

Most of the non-Gaza conflicts had units fighting away from civilian centers, which is not the case here.

Because Hamas embeds themselves amongst civilians (a war crime) and launches attacks from those embedded positions (another war crime), at least some part of the civilian death toll is a result of those war crimes. Some of these Hamas-attributable Palestinian civilian deaths are direct (such as a rocket falling short on your own side) and some are indirect (fighting from an apartment block, for instance, which invites inevitable counterattack).

I don't see it as a genocide, just an inevitable result of urban warfare.
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