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Originally Posted by Bagor
Let's find out who you are.
I found and still do find the Hamas attacks on October 7 absolutely disgusting, barbaric and repulsive.
I also find the slaughter of thousands of innocent citizens including thousands of children by Israel disgusting barbaric and repulsive.
Can you say the same?
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I can, of course the difference is the actions on October 7th were the precipitating incident and everything that has happened since is in response, that is not irrelevant.
Every single dead child is dead because of what Hamas did on the 7th, not a single one would have died if Hamas hadn't done what they did and every single dead civilian, both Jewish and Palestinian is what Hamas planned for and wants, this is all exactly what Hamas intended, I can criticize Israel for over reacting, I can criticize Israel for dancing to Hamas's bloody tune, which is never a great strategy, but in the end they had nothing to do with the start of this cycle, that is solely on Hamas.
I also have, because of Oct 7th, finally given up thinking there is any solution to this at all short of the utter victory of one side or the other, of the two sides I prefer Israel to win, a 'free' Palestine will be a grim poverty stricken religious craphole that offers nothing to most of its people but lives of unrelenting pain, just like most of the countries in the region, If I thought a ####ty corrupt poor Palestine could peacefully coexist with Israel I would be happy but I just dont think it can, I think it is a binary choice, the survival Israel or Palestine at this point