I can't imagine anybody other than a bigot disagreeing with that point. I agree with your position 100% because it's my exact position as well. Does anybody here disagree with that? Of course that's exactly how this should work.
Are trans girls/women on equal and fair footing when competing against CIS girls/women from a physical standpoint? If yes, then this is a complete non-issue and ceases to be a problem to anybody except for those who are transphobic. Let's call those people out and/or ignore the #### out of them.
Designed by whom? I'm not part of a master plan of any sort. I haven't been a right-winger undercover pretending to be a left leaner just so I can pounce on this issue after all these years. I also haven't been duped by anybody. I just happen to find the question interesting and the only answer I've seen on CP is to stop asking the question...haven't seen any answers.
So are you part of this intentional design to normalize which cases of trans women competing and which cases of trans women being barred from competition are acceptable? Because here you are saying - and maybe agree with? - rules placed on trans women affecting how they can participate in sport.
BTW, nobody is calling this a crisis. Remember, it's a twig of concern on a giant redwood tree. An academic question more than anything else. Something that shouldn't stop transwomen from participating in every single facet of life, but also taking into consideration the literally one part - however small - that would seem to have the potential to disrupt how we've traditionally divided the sexes into two camps simply because CIS men are stronger than CIS women when it comes to athletics.
Why do you guys think this conversation centres around making sure trans women can't compete in sports? This is a question about us working together with the express and sole purpose of finding a fair way for trans women
to participate in competitive sports. It's about inclusivity (from my perspective, anyway) and not at all about excluding anybody.
There's no bigotry. It's a simple acceptance of the
fact that trans women - due to being born biologically male -
may have an unfair advantage over CIS females when it comes to sports and athletics. Is it hypothetical? Honestly, I kind of doubt it. I mean, here's an interesting CBC article from 2022:
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/transgende...-ban-1.6496497. The conclusion I'm seeing in that article is basically this is still an issue that governing bodies are working on with a goal of being fair to all.
I think it's also a good time to address this instead of kicking the can down the road. I'm a big fan of solving all anticipated problems on sensitive topics before they necessarily arise to limit dragging backlash out. Let's tear off the band-aid so bigots can flap their gums for a bit now and then move onto more important issues like "the jab" or whatever dumb thing these lemmings will bumble towards next. I don't see the advantage to pushing decisions down the road so this can continue to be a topic that distracts from acceptance.
OMG. This is a wildly dramatic post. I'm 100% accepting of trans people. I have one question that I think would be good to resolve. Also, IDK, man, but there aren't zero "####ing" examples of it actually happening. There are more than that and as children today grow up I think we'll see waaaaaaaaaaaay more trans people and this will only become a larger topic of conversation. Why wouldn't you want to give those young trans kids hope and a roadmap for athletic success versus shouting down anybody who even asks what our plan is for them. If I were a trans kid right now and read your post I would find it very defeating. Is your heart in the right place? Maybe, but I don't see how it helps solve what could be a deterrent or wrinkle for a 14-year-old trans kid today dreaming about a career as an athlete. In that kid's shoes, I would want clear answers on how I would be able to have a future in sports versus hearing you tell people to quit asking how a trans kid should plan on navigating a career path.
The numbers are small so we shouldn't lay out a predictable and fair framework that allows all people (trans and CIS and intersex) to compete in sports? By that logic, why are there wheelchair ramps at every sidewalk curb in Lake Bonavista when I've only ever seen one guy use them - and that guy was me on a rascal. Isn't the majority supposed to look out for the minority in our society?
Why is your approach to ignore this? Let's go back to your first point - let's follow the science and facts and come up with rules based on those. Why is your answer for us to quit asking for clarification on what we should do here?
Is there a problem with coming up with a rule before it's centered on one individual? That seems like a tall order to expect some 19-year-old trans kid to ready themself for that battle. Talk about a deterrent to a kid. That's a horrible approach.
Haven't I read on this hockey forum you guys worrying about the hypothetical of a young kid taking over Fleury's number on the Flames and facing potential fan backlash from that, yet you want a young trans person to head up changing the rules of sports to accommodate them against the entire weight of college and professional sports? That seems so heartless and - honestly - designed to completely deter trans people from competing. I think it's mean and horrible.