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SuperMatt18 · 01-17-2023, 04:16 PM

To me it is an excuse. Successful NHL franchises find a way to incorporate their top picks and prospects into the lineup when they are 21 years old.

At some point if a guy is producing a PPG at the AHL level in a top 6 role, they need time at the next level to continue development. If you wait until a guy is 23 or 24 years old to get that shot to me it actually stunts their development. Guys from the same draft like like Boldy, Krebs, Newhook, etc were all PPG in short time in the AHL, and their team called them up. Pelletier has almost 100 games in the AHL of PPG play and we are worried about dressing him for a game.

You need to find ways to incorporate these guys and let them learn at the NHL level once they've spent time developing at the AHL level and ideally you do it when they are 21/22 years old.

I know you will make the argument that the Flames haven't really lost anybody who went on to have success with other teams - but to me that is cause and effect if you don't give these guys a shot then they don't learn at the NHL level and it's unlikely the next NHL team is going to want to develop them at the NHL level when they are 23/24 years old - they have their own picks they are trying to incorporate.

Mangiapane is a good example to me. He didn't step right in and produce in 17-18 but I do think he needed those 10 games in 17-18 to help him take a step in his development to then be able to be a guy that could step in during the 18-19 season to actually contribute a bit.

Giving a guy a game or two and sending him down if he doesn't look good isn't helping them develop.

I'm going to look at another Sutter coached team as an example of how Pelletier should be managed...

Tyler Toffoli was an AHL rookie in 12-13 - he had 51 points in 58 games that year. He was rewarded with 10 NHL games that season. The following year he started in the AHL again - played 18 AHL games and had 23 points and then he got called up for good and helped the Kings in a top 6 role on their cup run.

Look how Sutter used Toffoli in his NHL debut - on a line with Richards and Carter. Bumping Penner off that line. https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2...arter-richards

Pelletier should be skating next to Kadri and Huberdeau tomorrow. Or at the very least Pelletier-Ruzicka-Lewis.

01-17-2023, 04:16 PM	#195
SuperMatt18 Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Calgary, AB Exp:	To me it is an excuse. Successful NHL franchises find a way to incorporate their top picks and prospects into the lineup when they are 21 years old. At some point if a guy is producing a PPG at the AHL level in a top 6 role, they need time at the next level to continue development. If you wait until a guy is 23 or 24 years old to get that shot to me it actually stunts their development. Guys from the same draft like like Boldy, Krebs, Newhook, etc were all PPG in short time in the AHL, and their team called them up. Pelletier has almost 100 games in the AHL of PPG play and we are worried about dressing him for a game. You need to find ways to incorporate these guys and let them learn at the NHL level once they've spent time developing at the AHL level and ideally you do it when they are 21/22 years old. I know you will make the argument that the Flames haven't really lost anybody who went on to have success with other teams - but to me that is cause and effect if you don't give these guys a shot then they don't learn at the NHL level and it's unlikely the next NHL team is going to want to develop them at the NHL level when they are 23/24 years old - they have their own picks they are trying to incorporate. Mangiapane is a good example to me. He didn't step right in and produce in 17-18 but I do think he needed those 10 games in 17-18 to help him take a step in his development to then be able to be a guy that could step in during the 18-19 season to actually contribute a bit. Giving a guy a game or two and sending him down if he doesn't look good isn't helping them develop. I'm going to look at another Sutter coached team as an example of how Pelletier should be managed... Tyler Toffoli was an AHL rookie in 12-13 - he had 51 points in 58 games that year. He was rewarded with 10 NHL games that season. The following year he started in the AHL again - played 18 AHL games and had 23 points and then he got called up for good and helped the Kings in a top 6 role on their cup run. Look how Sutter used Toffoli in his NHL debut - on a line with Richards and Carter. Bumping Penner off that line. https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2...arter-richards Pelletier should be skating next to Kadri and Huberdeau tomorrow. Or at the very least Pelletier-Ruzicka-Lewis. Last edited by SuperMatt18; 01-17-2023 at 05:19 PM.