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Originally Posted by GioforPM

For reference:

https://www.hockey-reference.com/tea...rs_career.html

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is because the team stunk. If Kipper had been in net for those years the team was bad we wouldn't even be discussing him right now.

Thanks for the reference material, Gio, as I think it frankly helps the argument for both Kipper and Fleury.

To continue the discussion with dissentowner, I disagree. Kipper has all the Flames records on teams that were good, mostly because of Kipper. I think if you put Kipper on those bad Fleury teams, they are much, much better.

For me, it then comes down to MacInnis vs. Fleury. I have MacInnis ahead, only slightly, based on hockey only. His numbers are comparable, while playing defence and while winning a cup and a Conn Smythe.