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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
If Gaudreau was put on the table last summer, or even the year before, I have no doubt that teams around the league would have made some pretty decent players available. It's impossible to say. I wouldn't have been shocked if Philly would have paid a high price at that time as it was likely they thought they could sign him to an extension.
I get that having Gaudreau helped win the division and making the 2nd round of the playoffs is nice, and that has value. But it's not like Treliving would have got nothing for him. Gaudreau's value was not as low as some people seem to think IMO.
This is one thing that I don't understand about how people can call Treliving a wizard and put him above criticism, but then have absolutely no faith that he could have pulled off a great trade where the team would still be competitive without also losing a franchise player for nothing. When it comes to making trades, that is the one thing that I think Treliving does better than almost any other GM.
It really depends on what happens in the future. If having one good season (not even what I would call great in the big picture as the team was pummeled in the playoffs) means it is followed by several years of mediocrity for losing a franchise player for nothing, then I personally don't think it is worth it. Only time will tell.
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All evidence flies in the face of the bolded...he wasn't even in high demand after his amazing season.
Buchnevich and Reinhart are the closest trade comps (albeit younger and RFAs).
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Trotz is gone.
Toews, Eberle, Leddy, and others are gone from those teams. And they are 3 years older.
Lee is 32, Nelson, is 30, Bailey is 32, Pageau will 30 when next season starts, Palmieri is 31, Cizikas, is 31, Clutterbuck is 34, Martin is 33.
They do have some decent pieces in their prime in Barzal (25), Pulock (27), Pelech (27), Dobson (22), Romanov (22), and Sorokin (26).
But they haven't had a 1st round pick since 2019 (moved all of the 2020, 2021, and 2022 firsts) so not a deep prospect pool coming up to help them.
I don't think those two runs are indications of future success for that franchise.
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The second ECF they managed without Toews. Leddy was certainly important, though you could argue he's been replaced by Dobson who was their #6 in ECF 2 (and didn't play in playoffs at all the year before).
Eberle had 11pts in 19 games in 2021. 6th among F's in both playoff pts and TOI (16:07 TOI). In 2020 he was 4th in both pts and TOI. And most good teams lost someone good in the ED.
Obviously they aren't going to be a perennial contender, but I think they'll still be a really tough out for the next 2-3 years.