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Originally Posted by 14Roman14
Posters have stated that long term effects are rare. That they leave the system fast. This may be true with all other vaccines. I am not anti vax. I am fully vaccinated for everything but this. My entire family is vaccinated for everything else.
However there has never been a vaccine ever used for humans that was MRNA and used a spike protein. Nobody can deny this, so is it possible that this one doesn’t leave our systems as fast as other vaccines of our past and nobody knows? If I’m wrong please provide me with an example of an identical vaccine we’ve used in the past and it’s success rate. Also does anyone know why this type of vaccine was used this time instead of tried and tested traditional methods?
Honestly my feeling is by 2023 we should know most data and all information. That will allow the vaccinated masses to get through another flu, different covid strain season and see if the immune system is stronger or weaker against other types of viruses that this vaccine was not targeting. It will allow more studies on fertility, and reproduction including any affects on the fetus of unborn children. It will allow improvements to be made if necessary ensure every aspect has been looked at and for long enough times. I can wait to go to a hockey game or travel and hopefully others will allow me and others like me that time. I do not think the measures in place will work and even though I was vaccinated for everything else before, I never once had a thought while attending a game or a concert that I wonder if everyone here is vaccinated for my safety. That said this has changed our world and how we see it acceptable to treat others, just hopefully if the shoe is on the other foot the people preaching remember how it felt.
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Like all mRNA strands, they are broken down within hours to days afterwards. This is simple biology. There's no way for it to remain in your body longer. But even if that's a concern, there's Astra Zeneca which is a traditional viral vector vaccine. Go for that one instead!
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The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures.
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https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/wh...ke-proteins-go
Secondly, it's ridiculous for you to wait until 2023 when there's nothing new to learn at this point about long-term effects because there isn't any possible mechanism for the vaccine to have any long-term effect...well you know, OTHER than providing memory B-cells and long-term immunity. Any long-term data is already known and this is why the FDA is about to grant permanent approval to the vaccines.
It's just not possible. I would love to explain it to you further, but you'd need to take several biology classes to get up to speed. You'll just have to trust me and the thousands of other scientific experts that know what they're talking about.
Lastly to the last bolded section...come again? Why would that have ANYTHING to do with anything? Each pathogen has a unique response, and unless you imagine that this vaccine actually damages your immune system (it doesn't, and only looney anti-vaxxers believe that), then there's no reasonable explanation for what you are suggesting.
I don't think there's anything left to say to you on this topic. Either be convinced by the mounds of evidence and scientific understanding, or don't. I know when someone cannot be taught, I do it for a living. You have a pre-determined narrative that doesn't match reality, and I've learned that hard-wired beliefs are impossible to change, no matter how much logic and evidence someone presents.
Good luck to you. Hopefully you don't reacquire this virus and get terribly ill because of your poor choices.